Having a beer with Bob

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Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue May 12, 2015 1:09 pm

We talk of losses, dead family, while Bob searches You Tube for old country, cry in your beer music. On the table his Bible is open to Psalms. My mind rages poetry: David sang to God, "I love you; you love me. Zap my enemy." Sober, the lines come across as trite. Our enemy is ourselves. There is no other. But the beer helps us cope with ourselves. Poems often die when exposed to the light of sobriety. Drunk we sing; and the song is us.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Wed May 13, 2015 2:16 pm

Bob on the guitar and I on the harmonica. We sing our roots and sanctify our despair. Some call it therapy; others---piss and moan. Our understanding is mutual comfort. How much of David was pure blues? All that was left was he, God and the harp song.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:28 pm

In hell one can still sing.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby phoneutria » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:08 pm

I like this.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Orbie » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:42 pm

Me too, go on Ir! Please!
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:39 pm

Thanks, Phoneutria and Orbie. In "Diapsalmata" Kierkegaard tells of an ancient society that roasted people inside metal bulls. The moans and groans of the tortured sounded to watchers like the sounds of the bull. Kierkegaard's summary was that poets are asked to sing from their pain, which comes across to listeners as sweet sounds.
The old Johnny Cash sings the 9 inch nails song "Hurt". We listen, Bob and I. We understand.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:00 pm

Cut my wings. Still I will sing as if I had them. The song is loss of things that can never be again. David lost his son Absalom. Bob and I have lost parents, siblings, lovers. The saddest words of tongue or pen are not it might have been. They are it will never be again. "Nevermore" says the raven that picks at the entrails of Prometheus. But the song endures.
And it sounds sweet in the ears of fellow sufferers.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:43 pm

In vino veritas. Latin proverb--"in wine there is truth".
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:02 pm

Music soothes the pain.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:25 pm

Music is a longing, a despair, a melancholy. The despair sounds beautiful to our ears. The greatest poetry is written at a time of sadness. Edgar Allen Poe was demented. Mindless Gonzo was demented. The Joker was demented.

People enjoy hearing the laments of the damned. Heaven and dreams are the purified essence of suffering souls. Anode to cathode. Father to son.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:07 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Music is a longing, a despair, a melancholy. The despair sounds beautiful to our ears. The greatest poetry is written at a time of sadness. Edgar Allen Poe was demented. Mindless Gonzo was demented. The Joker was demented.

People enjoy hearing the laments of the damned. Heaven and dreams are the purified essence of suffering souls. Anode to cathode. Father to son.

See the above on Kierkegaard. It states the same sentiment.
Baptized in beer, Bob and I sing.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Orbie » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:04 pm

Ir, i sing along with You, just follow the dots.
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In answer to your prayer
sincere, the centre of
your circle here,
i stand ; and , without
taking thought,-
i know nothing. But i can

Full well your need-as
you be men
This: Re-Creation. With a
bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
One gift is all i find in me,
And that is faithful
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:49 pm

Can I also have a beer, please?
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Orbie » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:00 pm

Ya, wohl, licht oder dark, bitte?
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In answer to your prayer
sincere, the centre of
your circle here,
i stand ; and , without
taking thought,-
i know nothing. But i can

Full well your need-as
you be men
This: Re-Creation. With a
bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
One gift is all i find in me,
And that is faithful
memory
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:50 pm

Orbie wrote:Ya, wohl, licht oder dark, bitte?

Hell oder dunkel, Orbie? Dunkel, bitte.

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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:57 pm

Ierrellus, are you having a beer with the ILP Bob?

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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:19 pm

Arminius wrote:Ierrellus, are you having a beer with the ILP Bob?

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No, but I'd like that.
The Bob who sings is my step nephew. He's a tormented country soul to the bone.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:04 pm

David's pain songs were a mix of praise to god and lament. So are Bob's and mine.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:06 pm

Orbie wrote:Ir, i sing along with You, just follow the dots.

I see the dots, but then I'm inebriated. Our song is praise and complaint---all too human. The essence of pain songs is why me?
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:06 pm

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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:41 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Music soothes the pain.

Probably. In any case: Music is without hate.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:48 pm

Arminius wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:Music soothes the pain.

Probably. In any case: Music is without hate.

Yes!!! It's the only universal language.
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:48 pm

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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:11 pm

There is some music , unfortunately, that's classified as 'hate music'. Skin head and white suprematist music is of such characterizations. No leaf is left unturned. That is human, all too human. The music which accompanies 'black masses' is again not of the fortious kind. But for the most part, music is balm to the soul.
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sincere, the centre of
your circle here,
i stand ; and , without
taking thought,-
i know nothing. But i can

Full well your need-as
you be men
This: Re-Creation. With a
bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
One gift is all i find in me,
And that is faithful
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Re: Having a beer with Bob

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:03 pm

Orbie wrote:There is some music , unfortunately, that's classified as 'hate music'. Skin head and white suprematist music is of such characterizations.

It is merely classified as "hate music". I am not interested in that music, but I think that also the people who like that music are not hateful but happy while listening to it.

I like classical music as well as rock music, especially progressive rock and jazz rock.
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