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Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:01 am
by Antithesis
Fixed Cross wrote:
Antithesis wrote:Nietzsche valued great men.
They could be great architects, engineers, artists, athletes, industrialists, philosophers, scientists or statesmen.
Great men are men who bring great value to themselves and others, primarily other great men like themselves, great men aren't emancipators of small men.
They would either be in favor of maintaining and rising within old hierarchies, or erecting new, better ones, not overturning all hierarchy.
For Nietzsche, ubermensch are not Buddhachrists, Robin Hoods, Spartacuses, anarchists, democrats, classical liberals or socialists.

No more important point in N than that men, up to and at least 100 years beyond him, had not been great enough.
Not even Napoleon had his respect, because of the cause he led.

The concept of Uebermensch, I don't know what's so difficult to understand about this. (lol yeah of course I do but it's mean) is the conceptualization of mankind as being by definition insufficient to please his tastes.

All this about already existing Uebermenschen is from other sources than Nietzsche.

Yea, you've presented it in black & white terms, but I, and N, prefer to think of things in degrees, where some individuals and civilizations at least came closer to embodying his ideals than others.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:24 am
by Antithesis
Fixed Cross wrote:In this sense, America as being a mechanism for rank-creating, did, I think, have his respect.

Naturally he wasn't so silly as to believe men have intrinsic rights, he wasn't as silly as to disregard reality of how men interact, nor did he value men in particular as more ontologically significant than animals, so he did not value the base narrative of the USA, but he must have valued the massiveness of its power machinations.

And since he considered overcoming and self-overcoming as a crucial aspect of noble nature, he would definitely have had some pleasure in the path to power of the African gene pool. He certainly wasn't racist.

N was a white supremacist who's been appropriated by liberal-socialists because he's hip.
While Italian Fascism and German Nazism may've been too crude, collectivist and egalitarian for his tastes, as they were too crude for the likes of individualistic elitists like Julius Evola, still clearly they came closer to meeting his ideals than our Judeo-Christian, liberal-social democracies do.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:52 am
by Antithesis
You can be a hip elitist, or a square equalist, the left doesn't have a monopoly on hipness.

N was the archetypal proto-Nipster.

N and Evola did for the right what Sartre and Camus did for the left.

Stirner and Novatore were hipper still, they didn't quite fit into either camp, left or right.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:14 pm
by Fixed Cross
You're throwing out pretty random responses here man. Yes, clearly N is speaking to elites. Elites who don't hold moralities.

Ethics isn't the same as morality.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:43 pm
by promethean75
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Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm
by Antithesis
Stirner's burns were pretty bad ass too.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:47 pm
by Antithesis
He's got a fiendish, scoundrelly look to him.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:48 pm
by promethean75
The original Dieter from Sprockets (SNL)

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:37 am
by Antithesis
The resemblance is uncanny.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:39 am
by Antithesis
I wouldn't trust him with the plastic cutlery, looks like the worst elements of Antifa, PETA and Hitler's brown shirts combined.

Re: How to become Ubermensch?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:59 pm
by Fixed Cross
Alright meine Herren, denn... who of yous is an ubermenschennnn?????