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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:19 am

Fuukuk. Yu know the brain uses up most of the energy? You wonder where that energy goes in most people.



So here's the deal.

Being equals self-valuing and valuing in terms of that self-valuing. People who don't get that by now are really very slow and should not be considered sentient.

A right can not exist if it doesn't... self-value and value in terms of that self-valuing.


So, a right can only exist if it is able to self-value in terms of the people who bestow it its existence!
Yay.


Oh wait I crossed the 180 IQ line again.

Mea goddamn culpa.

It just happens these Fathers had problematically high IQs too.

And thats what we're going to be getting at, probably; only those people who can understand the necessity of upholding something for it to exist, like, nature upholds itself, will be able to have what we call natural rights.

People have to exist in terms of such rights for these rights to exist to them.

Oh so difficult. So so difficult.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:28 am

I think style is God.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:30 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Ive always strained myself to get myself in trouble with governments, from a very deep seated moral sense of duty, noting I was usually the only one who was even aware of what governments are dong and, taking he suffering of people on myself.
But this whole recent episode here, which had people on a philosophy site explicitly turning against rights, literacy and other gains from the enlightenment, has made me stop and pause.

Why do I fight for these hordes?
Fuck it man. I quit this whole philanthropic business.

Im a new born misanthrope.


I been fucking telling you for years, Jesus Christ.

Have you?

I dont think so man.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:32 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I think style is God.

Surely is.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:33 am

No but also, on a more serious note,

And I say this I guess to talk to the wind.

People have this separation in their minds between ideas and the world, calumniously called logic. This state of affairs is so for a reason.

Let's take it religious now, like Heraclitus did.

When God is proposed, it is not God beside or instead of this world that you see, that we see.

Both God and logic have been used precicely, even in their denial, to deny the world, this world, what you see, what I see.

Obviously God given right is not a prescription of the world, but a description.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:35 am

Phon - you were the one who was telling a literary genius that he should have learned in school to write short paragraphs so you could read it on your "android, bitch".
That was classic. And I take no credit for any of that, mind you. None.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:36 am

And, Fixed, why precicely the only Trump denier with nuance and subtlety do you attack venomously? Wtf? While the real enemies walk unscathed?
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:39 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And, Fixed, why precicely the only Trump denier with nuance and subtlety do you attack venomously? Wtf? While the real enemies walk unscathed?

What Trump denier?
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:39 am

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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:41 am

Oh - well I don't like it when people think that a lack of power (such as: lack of power at reading and thinking) is an argument, much less when they resort to vicious personal insults merely for being presented with a lofty text with lofty ideas.

Just rubs me wrong.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:46 am

Oh yeah this fucking dude is one to tell that to.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:47 am

But I wasn't aware she was a Trump denier.
Also, that bit with the mayo sandwich was a nice bit.

Pedro I Rengel wrote:No but also, on a more serious note,

And I say this I guess to talk to the wind.

People have this separation in their minds between ideas and the world, calumniously called logic. This state of affairs is so for a reason.

Logic is rather, as I see it at least, the unity of mind and world.

Someone who cant operate logically is just bumbling around without any part in the world.

Someone who has a strong logic to him, is a force to be reckoned with.

Let's take it religious now, like Heraclitus did.

When God is proposed, it is not God beside or instead of this world that you see, that we see.

"Thunderbolt steers all things". Yes.

Both God and logic have been used precicely, even in their denial, to deny the world, this world, what you see, what I see.

No. Lollers. No, logic has never been used to deny the world.
Because, logic would have to be used in the world, being part of the world, and so it would have to deny its own ground to deny the world. So no man. Stop that silly postmodern shit.

Logic is just: what happens.

Obviously God given right is not a prescription of the world, but a description.

Dude.
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:49 am

Oy vei
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:49 am

Fuckin calling me postmodern?
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:51 am

Seriously we're a that level, at that utterly pre-Nietzschean, Platonic bullshit, we have to work through all of that? Don't do this to me dude.

Anything that exists makes an effort to exist.
If there is a God who gives, then thus, what the gives has to make an effort to be given.

Thats what Heidegger talks about.

You and Parodites both hate Heidegger. But neither of you have there fainted clue what he says.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:52 am

And also that is just the fucking point.

Will to power

IS NOT

A prescription.

It is not a choice.

It is a description. It is all there is. The choice is seeing it.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:53 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Fuckin calling me postmodern?

Did you acquire knowledge of the reason?

You cant read me as lightly as you read a sculpture in the sand.

What I say has been produced from enormous efforts in the worlds most powerful philosophic forge

I say it concisely too, but this makes me even less understood, most of the time, than Parodites.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:54 am

I will concede that the seeing of it itself prescribes.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:54 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And also that is just the fucking point.

Will to power

IS NOT

A prescription.

It is not a choice.

It is a description. It is all there is. The choice is seeing it.

Jeeez.

The will to power PRESCRIBES.

Itself, to itself, first of all.

And the description of the world as will to power is obviously a prescription - as it is part of the world, which is will to power.

How could will to power describe something without prescribing?
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:55 am

Listen man.
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Re: Telos

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:56 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Fuckin calling me postmodern?

Did you acquire knowledge of the reason?

You cant read me as lightly as you read a sculpture in the sand.

What I say has been produced from enormous efforts in the worlds most powerful philosophic forge

I say it concisely too, but this makes me even less understood, most of the time, than Parodites.


That was re this.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:56 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I will concede that the seeing of it itself prescribes.

Well thats where it all starts.

Why ontology and epistemology cant be separate.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:56 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Listen man.


Naw man Im done being told to listen.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:56 am

Its time for me to speak.
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Re: Telos

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:58 am

Its time for me to accept, I mean, that either people take the trouble to think, or they're trash.
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