Is Nietzsche strictly European?

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Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:37 am

Does one have to be from Europe to understand Nietzsches intentions, tastes and aesthetics?

It is clear that it is vey well possible to understand that Nietzsche is right about things like perspectives and power. But it is also clear that it is hard to understand what he wanted the world to become like, if you are not familiar with the world he was from.

As his life progressed, N became more interested in outlining a future society, and describing the traits of future humans. Some of this material has been collected in the volume The Will to Power. Ive seen Americans discredit this volume on account of it having been edited by Ns sister, who is notoriously affiliated with the nazis. I think this is a sign of laziness and fear - to not dare to address the later Nietzsche because of the dangerous implications, and, leaving it unread, claiming that it is a hoax, written by the nazis themselves. Where in fact it is only in these later writings that we get to see the development of Ns "Philosophy of the Future".

Now it may be altogether fascistic to want to plan the future for mankind. Or not. But the question remains - in that which N did write about the future, and much of that has already come true, there is a significant part "Europe", and no part of "America". The logics employed to analyze mankind are thoroughly European, beset with examples from European humans.

It is true that the greatest Americans can appreciate Nietzsches rudimentaries. More so, obviously, than more scaredycat like Europeans can, "Nietzscheans" included. But - can the American grasp what Nietzsche really loved about mankind?

Because what he loved is quite simply Europe, and its historical heart, the Greeks.
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby Santiago » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:48 pm

One doesn't necessarily need to be born or raised in a particular place, in order to be able to understand its aesthetics. And Nietzsche was very much an individualist, as opposed to a collectivist. His ideal person was someone who strays from conformity and asserts himself courageously against the forces of nature and society. Nietzsche was a free-spirit, and so were the founding fathers of America, in a sense, when they desired to be free of British rule. Friedrich, of course, was not fond of egalitarianism, or Democracy, for that matter; but the founding fathers shared a similar appreciation, with Nietzsche, for the freedom of the individual and a spirit of rugged determination to establish oneself.

So, Nietzsche is not strictly European. He can appeal to the mind of any intellectual, irrespective of nationality.
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:08 pm

Solid answer, but not sufficient to address my question.
Ive been a student of Nietzsche for twenty years and have come to know two types of interpretations of him - one as you say, as a free spirit, free thinker, independent. certainly not free of the forces of nature - that is the last thing he'd value, as he revered only natural forces, also men strictly as natural forces - and the other is the deep-cultural identification with the project of Europe and a deep love of its cultural..... fibers. Deep love allowed by deep knowledge.

The point is that N thoroughly understood Europe, and didn't understand much of the Americas. And as he is a contextualist, judging things only in their context, his writing should really be seen mostly to apply to Europe, at least to the European man.
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby Santiago » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:10 pm

One has to be careful, when reading Nietzsche, especially if one is identifying with an Aryan or Indo-European ethos. A major part of Nietzsche's philosophy is centered in the repudiation of objective values; something, ironically, very Leftist and postmodern...

Values, such as courage, strength, beauty, endurance, integrity, and justice are universally recognized, because they are reflections of a higher order, of a transcendent reality.

Aryans are associated with solar divinity. Their hair is golden-blonde, because they are kissed by the sun. Apollo, the Greek god associated with the sun, is an ordering principle who instantiates virtue. In Hinduism, a religion possibly influenced by the Aryans, the supreme deity, named "Brahman", is associated with light, vitality, benevolence, and generating life: aspects of the solar principle.

God is not a nihilistic construct. Far from it. God is the Divine force, the ultimate reality, that is the eternal source of all that is noble and virtuous. The Aryan, which translates to "noble or noble one", is he who strives towards the speed of light, towards eternity. One aspect of the blonde beast is Achillean; it ferociously runs forward, continually acquiring more speed, powered by primordial rage, i.e., the wrath of God. It is the thymotic striving for light speed, for the eternal. The blonde beast runs upon the Earth, but he can also ascend to the Heavens. The ascension aspect is Apollonian (solar rising), in contrast with the running aspect, which is related to Ares. Solar rising is, likewise, thymotic when Ares and Apollo ride their chariots alongside each other. This is the sublimation of the violence of rage into higher pursuits, such as music, art, and philosophy.

When you look at the sun, you see golden light, but if you get closer, to the core, you will see fire, a primordial, blazing fire that endures forever.

The Aryan is he who runs and ascends towards God, the ultimate reality.
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby promethean75 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:45 pm

Sorry... just a quick question.

Aryans are associated with solar divinity. Their hair is golden-blonde, because they are kissed by the sun.


Since when did Arabs have golden-blonde hair? You must be talking about the fabricated European identity of aryanism after the Nazi mystics read blavatsky and gobineau?
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby Santiago » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:08 pm

I've seen images of Iranians with blonde hair and blue/green eyes.

The Nazi's completely disgraced the spirit of Aryanism, when they decided to condescend to the level of brutes and commit mass genocide. Aryanism is not about bitter hatred of other races, or murder; those things are forms of ugliness and evil, aspects of the lower level of existence, the darkness. Aryans are part of the higher level of existence, the solar realm, the celestial light. They are resplendent in virtue, which is intellectual and moral excellence.
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Re: Is Nietzsche strictly European?

Postby promethean75 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:26 pm

Aryans are part of the higher level of existence, the solar realm, the celestial light. They are resplendent in virtue, which is intellectual and moral excellence.


Well we try, but we aren't perfect.
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