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Postby Gloominary » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:17 pm

What's the most valuable thing in life?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:43 pm

As a literal thing, I'd say my life but as an actionable, I'd say forgiveness (self-forgiveness and that of others).
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Artimas » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:45 pm

Existing, since it is objective value not deemed by oneself or ones conscious until /after/ one is conscious.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:06 am

The exploration of non contradiction; non contradiction itself.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:43 am

Self worth.. the knowing and the having of.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Meno_ » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:58 am

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Re: Supreme Value

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:04 am

Gloominary wrote:What's the most valuable thing in life?

The capacity to value.
It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:21 pm

I think it's the survival of yourself, friends and family if you have any (and perhaps the survival of your community), and being in fair health.

everything else is secondary (fame, fortune, hedonism, power, etcetera), and the pursuit of what's not primary shouldn't significantly compromise or jeopardize what's primary.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:36 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:
Gloominary wrote:What's the most valuable thing in life?

The capacity to value.

And aside from being alive, how does one attain and maintain the capacity to value?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:36 pm

Meno_ wrote:Faith

What does the word faith mean to you?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:38 pm

MagsJ wrote:Self worth.. the knowing and the having of.

How does one acquire self-worth?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:43 pm

Ecmandu wrote:The exploration of non contradiction; non contradiction itself.

Would you majorly risk or shorten your life and ruin your health to explore logic?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:51 pm

Artimas wrote:Existing, since it is objective value not deemed by oneself or ones conscious until /after/ one is conscious.

What does it mean for something to have objective value?
And why's existing the supreme or only objective value?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:55 pm

WendyDarling wrote:As a literal thing, I'd say my life but as an actionable, I'd say forgiveness (self-forgiveness and that of others).

When I think of nouns that have worth, I think of the word value, when I think of verbs or behaviors that have worth, I think of the word virtue.
Why is forgiveness such an important virtue?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:30 am

Gloominary wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Self worth.. the knowing and the having of.

How does one acquire self-worth?

I'd say by having and exercising our integrity.. not doing so would be demoralising, and would turn adults into children, for being at the whim of others.

Say something.. or say nothing.. but never bend to the whims and wills of others.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:32 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Self worth.. the knowing and the having of.

How does one acquire self-worth?

I'd say by having and exercising our integrity.. not doing so would be demoralising, and would turn adults into children, for being at the whim of others.

Say something.. or say nothing.. but never bend to the whims and wills of others.

So the supreme value is self-worth, and self-worth comes from integrity (having and exercising strong moral principles), interesting.
What're some of your moral principles?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:49 am

Gloominary wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:As a literal thing, I'd say my life but as an actionable, I'd say forgiveness (self-forgiveness and that of others).

When I think of nouns that have worth, I think of the word value, when I think of verbs or behaviors that have worth, I think of the word virtue.
Why is forgiveness such an important virtue?

It allows a person to evolve and not be stuck in the past.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:57 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:As a literal thing, I'd say my life but as an actionable, I'd say forgiveness (self-forgiveness and that of others).

When I think of nouns that have worth, I think of the word value, when I think of verbs or behaviors that have worth, I think of the word virtue.
Why is forgiveness such an important virtue?

It allows a person to evolve and not be stuck in the past.

Do you think all humans are very wicked, and so in need of much forgiveness from each other?
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am

More like selfish or misguided by the choices they make which leads to frustration, hurt, and anger. It seems you have to forgive yourself before you can forgive another.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:34 pm

WendyDarling wrote:More like selfish or misguided by the choices they make which leads to frustration, hurt, and anger. It seems you have to forgive yourself before you can forgive another.

For me it's the opposite, I have to forgive others before I can forgive myself.
How can I be lenient with myself, and hold others to a much higher standard?
That wouldn't be right.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:40 pm

Gloominary wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:More like selfish or misguided by the choices they make which leads to frustration, hurt, and anger. It seems you have to forgive yourself before you can forgive another.

For me it's the opposite, I have to forgive others before I can forgive myself.
How can I be lenient with myself, and hold others to a much higher standard?
That wouldn't be right.


Forgiving others is just for show, hollow, until you can forgive yourself. You can't forgive yourself until you stop projecting.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:18 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:More like selfish or misguided by the choices they make which leads to frustration, hurt, and anger. It seems you have to forgive yourself before you can forgive another.

For me it's the opposite, I have to forgive others before I can forgive myself.
How can I be lenient with myself, and hold others to a much higher standard?
That wouldn't be right.


Forgiving others is just for show, hollow, until you can forgive yourself. You can't forgive yourself until you stop projecting.

That may work for you, but it doesn't work for me, for reasons given.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:22 am

Gloominary wrote:So the supreme value is self-worth, and self-worth comes from integrity (having and exercising strong moral principles), interesting.
What're some of your moral principles?

..although I hold myself up to very high scrutiny, I do not of others.. that is up to them to do or not do, as I am not here for that, that of interfering in others' lives, as mine runs parallel with rather than juxtaposed to, theirs'.

I simply live a moral life, as opposed to living one under separate moral principles, as my nature always seems to have been geared towards a wholly moral one.. though a tendency to be cheeky can sometimes lead me to exercise that whim, which can be very testing for my moral code of conduct :lol: and in those instances I will quickly rein myself in, so as not to infringe on another too much, as a little of my un-reined self goes a long way. :oops:
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Gloominary » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:09 am

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:So the supreme value is self-worth, and self-worth comes from integrity (having and exercising strong moral principles), interesting.
What're some of your moral principles?

..although I hold myself up to very high scrutiny, I do not of others.. that is up to them to do or not do, as I am not here for that, that of interfering in others' lives, as mine runs parallel with rather than juxtaposed to, theirs'.

I simply live a moral life, as opposed to living one under separate moral principles, as my nature always seems to have been geared towards a wholly moral one.. though a tendency to be cheeky can sometimes lead me to exercise that whim, which can be very testing for my moral code of conduct :lol: and in those instances I will quickly rein myself in, so as not to infringe on another too much, as a little of my un-reined self goes a long way. :oops:

While I'm not hyper-moral, if you will, I'm not amoral either.
Not every human behavior needs to or can be moralized, and we all need to cut ourselves and others some slack.
Rather than accept the morals of my society, I've developed and continue to develop a morality that works for me, that makes sense to me, and isn't mostly or muchly contrary to my natural inclinations, so I don't have to strive all the time.
I'd rather be comfortable, and I'd rather others be comfortable too.
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Re: Supreme Value

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:19 pm

Gloominary wrote:What's the most valuable thing in life?



Does the most valuable thing in life always remain the same for us? Is it fixed in time for us or can it sometimes change depending on our life experience in the present moment (not this particular present moment), depending on human "historical" history (redundant?)in the present moment?

We change, our value systems change.

But one thing I will say is the below words by William james - it might just be this:


“The great use of life is to spend it for something that will outlast it.”

― William James
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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