Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

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Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby Guide » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:16 am

This obstruction to thought is becoming daily more powerful. Humming louder; more ready to sting and tender its life for the collective cause.

The collectivist Peterson states that we all should, in order to benefit the collective, view each other as "essentially" individual. Is this a collective demand to how each one should think itself? What could be more "low resolution" than the demand that each one take the same view in order to do what is best for all? Namely, to think themselves as essentially "individual" for the sake of the collective?

Peterson, driving his ego into self annihilation, might now pick himself up and learn thought. Ergo, he might remember what is properly worthy in his inner teaching.

One detests and is done with the simple issues at once, we all can think them no further. They are absurd, their simplicity is beneath one. They must be a trick. Only the philosopher sees such difficulties for what they are. Philosophers are very rare beings, their kind is seldom seen on the earth. If novelty of the condition of being is sought, it is not to be sought among the mediocre mob of collective individuals, but at the fined and refined pinnacle of time's most free output.

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Peterson's mistake, we should notice, is based partly on a more trivial (a mere matter of erudition and scholarship), though radical and hugely misleading for him, ignorance of the (empirical theoretical) meaning of individual in the political theory of the 18th century.
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Re: Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:26 am

Note:

Jordan Peterson: Atheists Are Murderers - Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmrpiCsuv6w
I am a progressive human being, a World Citizen, NOT-a-theist and not religious.
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Re: Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby Guide » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:38 pm

Initial notes, subject to revue upon intelligent (non-contumelious) challenge:

This discussion is verbal, no substantive knowledge: based on radical ignorance of the subject matter. I don't see anything in what these so-called atheists are professing to believe beside from that they don't like the mere word God. It's clear none of them have ever studied the monotheistic tradition, which is entirely a rationalistic and scientific tradition and most of all Aristotelian, even with Maimonides.

Belief in rationality and belief in the Catholic God means substantively the same thing. That's the Catholic determination of God, "rationality" as positive law, e.g., "potentia ordinata". The Catholics understand the heart, emotion, to lead to the rational, but one must be supranational to be moved to live practically according to reason. That is, the lacuna between knowing and being comes in in Catholic thought, as it did not with Socrates.

So far as one wants to pass off the move from a seriously considered ethics, to a utilitarianism, "most good for the greatest number", as atheism, one is clueless about one's belief in god/rationality (taken as a technical term of the rational Catholic system).

Nihilism, on the other hand, is neither rational nor the reverse. It takes no yard stick but ad hoc interpretation of the phenomena. One could, however, speak here, like someone pick-pocketed within the din of a crowd where every touch is the same, of a nihilistic god, rather than a good god. Since, the highest determination of the rational investigation would be the truth of the nihilism as understood.
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Re: Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby surreptitious75 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:44 am

Guide wrote:
Its clear none of them have ever studied the monotheistic tradition which is entirely a rationalistic and scientific tradition

Many atheists originally came from the monotheistic tradition of specific belief systems which are not entirely rationalistic and scientific
This is because science only deals in observable phenomena and therefore has nothing at all to say about belief which is beyond its scope
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Re: Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby Guide » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:01 am

Guide wrote:

Its clear none of them have ever studied the monotheistic tradition which is entirely a rationalistic and scientific tradition

Many atheists originally came from the monotheistic tradition of specific belief systems which are not entirely rationalistic and scientific
This is because science only deals in observable phenomena and therefore has nothing at all to say about belief which is beyond its scope


Don't you find it suspicious that the currently most powerful orthodoxy was established before your birth, and you grew into it while still unable to think for yourself? This is not an account of "science", it is technology. I.e., the blind production of "facts", as secured information, which await agendas or values. However, in reality, the values are never separable from the things. They just cease to be the principle theme of research.

There is nothing rational about upholding an unthinking prejudice about what counts as "observable" and what doesn't.
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Re: Jordan Peterson, as the Failure to Think

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:55 am

Values are subjective and things are objective so they can be separated even though they may have a common point of reference
The simple act of observing something is not one of prejudice unless you define prejudice as any type of subjective interpretation
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