Animal protection is the most noble cause

Well, even if I were, it would be construed by me to be but another existential contraption.

And the bottom line is that there are in fact folks on both ends of the political spectrum who are quite arrogant regarding animal rights. And this arrogance stems not from any perceived existential contraption but from the fact that they are absolutely convinced that unless you think like they do and are “one of us” on this issue you are quite simply wrong.

Not only that but I’m not even arrogant regarding this. I recognize that it too is in turn just another subjective fabrication rooted in dasein.

However bizarre it might seem to some, even this can only be embedded in the gap between what any particular “I” thinks and feels about it “here and now” and all that can be [must be] known about the existence of exstence itself.

It’s either all intertwined in what can only ever be or there is some measure of autonomy in the choices that any particular one of us make.

My point is only to suggest that in a world where we are free to choose, that choice does not appear to be one that can be pinned down philosophically. Or morally, politically, essentially, objectively.

There is what science can demonstrate as being true for all of us. In other words, in regard to human beings eating or not eating animals.

Then there are all of the things that each of us have come to believe is true “in our heads” about this relationship. Existentially. Here we can either demonstrate that others ought to believe it too or we can’t.

Again, what else is there until those dots between “I” and Existence itself are connected?

Will you explain what you mean by existence itself? To me, it’s like saying “the magnet is attracted to the iron by magnetism, but what about magnetism itself?” There is no magnetism itself. Magnetism is the interaction between magnets. Existence is the interaction between subject and object and there is no such thing as existence itself.

I’m sorry but tortured animals can be some of the best tasting ones.

A little foie gras and veal sandwich? Yes please.

The irony being that any explanation I might offer for existence is no less embedded in the gap between what I think/believe it is and all that can be [must be] known about it in order to explain it. Which of course would seem to be the case for everyone else too.

You can start with “I think therefore I am” or any other initial assumption to note that this thing we call “existence” in the English language appears to be all around us.

Or is that all just in our head? Or part of a sim world, or a dream world, or a matrix — or one or another mindboggling contraption that we are not even privy to.

Here we are discussing just one tiny part of it: to eat or not to eat animals.

But that and everything else is still entangled in this:

There are known knowns about existence. These are things we know that we know about it. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know about it. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know about it.

I’ll run this by Tyler Durden but he’s already crossed you off the list.

Let’s just hope he doesn’t decide to eat you. :laughing:

Never heard of her.

I do what I can.

I have four dogs and two cats all rescue animals, some that had no hope of adoption as they don’t fit the category as cute, white and fluffy. One of these has severe behavioural problems due to abuse from previous owner, but with love and a good diet and exercise and good care they are the most loyal and loving animals. It doesn’t take much for them to trust you and know you have their best interests at heart.

I only donate to causes that involve animal welfare.

I am lobbying to stop live animal exports from my country.

If I can help an animal in any way I will do so without hesitation.

Some situations break your heart and show what mankind is capable of.
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So I was riding along today collecting maple sap and out of freaking nowhere, probably because I was riding by my pet geese, it suddenly came to me that: weren’t you at least metaphorically ass-raped by the prison system? So I found the thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192293&p=2652998&hilit=prosecutor#p2652989

“Turd, are you just now realizing that there’s such a thing as widespread, institutionalized mistreatment of prisoners?”

While you were in, did you discover if that particular species of tortured animal tastes better? :evilfun:

I didn’t ever serve any time in prison. I was in jail for about 4 hours or so in 2015. And I spent the night in one once in 2008. And a few hours in this one or that one here and there a handful of other times.

So are you crusading for prison reform or does it not matter that much?

Both.

Why are you crusading if it doesn’t matter that much?

Just to stay in practice.

If it doesn’t matter, then why stay in practice?

In case one day it does.

And what could make it matter?

There’s no way of ever knowing.

Has it ever mattered?

Again, no way of ever knowing. But probably. I mean, over a long enough period of time, anything that’s possible becomes increasingly probable.