Animal protection is the most noble cause

Cashew cheese, huh… :-k I might just have to give making some a go… if it’s good, it’ll be a real game-changer for me/my dull diet.

Well… vegans rapidly become malnourished, so what is that telling us?

I’m a rough tough creampuff :slight_smile:

1/4 cup cashews
1.5 heaping tablespoons yeast flakes
2 heaping teaspoons all purpose flour
2 tablespoons olive oil
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon coarse ground celtic salt
1/2 small fresno pepper
1/4 of an onion
1/4 of a tomato
1 clove garlic

I’m not sure of the mixing procedure, but that’s the ingredients mom wrote.

It doesn’t taste like mac n cheese, but it’s good in its own way.

Also, try some cucumber on your mexican food. I would have never thought of doing that.

I don’t know. Mom’s father says she wasn’t raised like that and it can’t be good for her. Grandma and grandpa refuse to eat it. It’s a little bit funny watching a 75 yr old man try to tell a 95 yr old man how to be healthy lol

Nothing is for certain until we are able to connect the dots between “I” here and now and a definitive understanding of existence itself.

And if your goals are existential contraptions, you embody them accordingly. They might just as easily have been other goals. And since [in my view] there is no way in which to determine how one ought to live [if in fact that is the case] the choices that one makes are always going to be problematic.

Yes, there are the parts rooted in genes. And while I am not all that sophisticated in grasping this part of the debate myself, it’s also a fact that in the modern world there are ways to sustain ones life [and ones health] without consuming animal products. And any number of folks will then reduce the discussion down to a moral conflict. From their perspective it is simply unethical to use and to abuse animals.

Then all the other lines are drawn regarding medical experiments and hunting and pets and animals in zoos and in circuses.

Sure, for all practical purposes, that is certainly one way in which to approach this when interacting with others. It sounds reasonable to me.

As long as you recognize that the goals you embody now are no less existential contraptions/fabrications ever and always subject to change given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas.

On the other hand, perhaps he is just less, uh, arrogant in approaching those who don’t share his own point of view. :wink:

I personally believe respect is the only issue here. Eat what you want ‘prey’ wise but show respect, have some honor. Grant a quick painless death but a happy joyful life. The issue is that people do not show love or respect for what gives them life, even at the expense of another’s, this is an immoral and honorless act.

Show respect to plants and animals alike, we all are life, animals and plants, we all live off of shit so be humble about your existence.

Plants are conscious and alive. It’s funny how people start saying what aliens are, “aliens are conscious, they’re this and that” before even understanding that plants are alive and conscious. It’s kind of an embarrassment for the human species, that type of thinking is. So quick to roll the red carpet out to an idea in your head but so quick to not care about what’s in front of you. This is a moral and spiritual issue not a dieting one. Like I have said countless times.

Oh, Uriah Heep, I know you’re not arrogant.

Right, even if there is a right way to live, there is no way to determine it. And every advantage has disadvantages so it boils down to deciding which set of circumstances you prefer, where “you” is defined as whatever it is that’s making you go, of its own nature.

So if my friend would not have mercy-killed that deer, it would have been eaten by coyotes or starved over the winter. Or maybe it would have lived to a ripe old age, then starved or got eaten. Or maybe it would have contracted that prion wasting disease or rabies. If we don’t kill them, something will.

Should I shoot squirrels or let the owls pick them apart?

Sure, I’ll concede that we’re reliant either on animals or technological substitutes. The only concern I have is the extent to which science can mimic nature, especially when science is political and is more concerned with justifying the existence of vegetable oil to profit some capitalists than preserving our health, and more especially so considering there are other insatiable capitalists ready to peddle pills to repair any damage done by the bs science in the first place. Lots of profit for everyone so long as no one knows the truth.

Especially considering that whatever it is making me go is the same thing making the animal go. How do I know that the player of the parts that is playing me, hasn’t also played them?

Well, even if I were, it would be construed by me to be but another existential contraption.

And the bottom line is that there are in fact folks on both ends of the political spectrum who are quite arrogant regarding animal rights. And this arrogance stems not from any perceived existential contraption but from the fact that they are absolutely convinced that unless you think like they do and are “one of us” on this issue you are quite simply wrong.

Not only that but I’m not even arrogant regarding this. I recognize that it too is in turn just another subjective fabrication rooted in dasein.

However bizarre it might seem to some, even this can only be embedded in the gap between what any particular “I” thinks and feels about it “here and now” and all that can be [must be] known about the existence of exstence itself.

It’s either all intertwined in what can only ever be or there is some measure of autonomy in the choices that any particular one of us make.

My point is only to suggest that in a world where we are free to choose, that choice does not appear to be one that can be pinned down philosophically. Or morally, politically, essentially, objectively.

There is what science can demonstrate as being true for all of us. In other words, in regard to human beings eating or not eating animals.

Then there are all of the things that each of us have come to believe is true “in our heads” about this relationship. Existentially. Here we can either demonstrate that others ought to believe it too or we can’t.

Again, what else is there until those dots between “I” and Existence itself are connected?

Will you explain what you mean by existence itself? To me, it’s like saying “the magnet is attracted to the iron by magnetism, but what about magnetism itself?” There is no magnetism itself. Magnetism is the interaction between magnets. Existence is the interaction between subject and object and there is no such thing as existence itself.

I’m sorry but tortured animals can be some of the best tasting ones.

A little foie gras and veal sandwich? Yes please.

The irony being that any explanation I might offer for existence is no less embedded in the gap between what I think/believe it is and all that can be [must be] known about it in order to explain it. Which of course would seem to be the case for everyone else too.

You can start with “I think therefore I am” or any other initial assumption to note that this thing we call “existence” in the English language appears to be all around us.

Or is that all just in our head? Or part of a sim world, or a dream world, or a matrix — or one or another mindboggling contraption that we are not even privy to.

Here we are discussing just one tiny part of it: to eat or not to eat animals.

But that and everything else is still entangled in this:

There are known knowns about existence. These are things we know that we know about it. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know about it. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know about it.

I’ll run this by Tyler Durden but he’s already crossed you off the list.

Let’s just hope he doesn’t decide to eat you. :laughing:

Never heard of her.

I do what I can.

I have four dogs and two cats all rescue animals, some that had no hope of adoption as they don’t fit the category as cute, white and fluffy. One of these has severe behavioural problems due to abuse from previous owner, but with love and a good diet and exercise and good care they are the most loyal and loving animals. It doesn’t take much for them to trust you and know you have their best interests at heart.

I only donate to causes that involve animal welfare.

I am lobbying to stop live animal exports from my country.

If I can help an animal in any way I will do so without hesitation.

Some situations break your heart and show what mankind is capable of.
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So I was riding along today collecting maple sap and out of freaking nowhere, probably because I was riding by my pet geese, it suddenly came to me that: weren’t you at least metaphorically ass-raped by the prison system? So I found the thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192293&p=2652998&hilit=prosecutor#p2652989

“Turd, are you just now realizing that there’s such a thing as widespread, institutionalized mistreatment of prisoners?”

While you were in, did you discover if that particular species of tortured animal tastes better? :evilfun:

I didn’t ever serve any time in prison. I was in jail for about 4 hours or so in 2015. And I spent the night in one once in 2008. And a few hours in this one or that one here and there a handful of other times.

So are you crusading for prison reform or does it not matter that much?

Both.

Why are you crusading if it doesn’t matter that much?