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Postby Pneumatic-Coma » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:20 am

Speaking of a means to an end. How do we end depression?
How is that we can think that this can be solved or ended?
In fact what's the difference between valid and invalid lines of answering and questioning?

If there is an invalid or valid line of answers and questions?
In any manner how do we go on thinking for others that have not wanted us to think to deeply into situation of obscurity only to be left in the void never to be shown light?
If there's wrong answers I want to hear them as opposed to what you think is the 'right' answer. Or even questions.

There's a justice and an injustice in society as I've seen with people thinking they must have it worse than others in order to prove that this cycle of violence meets and end. Although where do the people learn to take a stand? [-o<

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Re: Teleologically

Postby MagsJ » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:46 am

Pneumatic-Coma wrote:Speaking of a means to an end. How do we end depression?
How is that we can think that this can be solved or ended?
In fact what's the difference between valid and invalid lines of answering and questioning?

ps.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:41 pm

Pneumatic-Coma wrote:Speaking of a means to an end. How do we end depression?
How is that we can think that this can be solved or ended?
In fact what's the difference between valid and invalid lines of answering and questioning?

If there is an invalid or valid line of answers and questions?
In any manner how do we go on thinking for others that have not wanted us to think to deeply into situation of obscurity only to be left in the void never to be shown light?
If there's wrong answers I want to hear them as opposed to what you think is the 'right' answer. Or even questions.

There's a justice and an injustice in society as I've seen with people thinking they must have it worse than others in order to prove that this cycle of violence meets and end. Although where do the people learn to take a stand? [-o<

ps.
HELP!


These are the right questions.
I can tell you the answer I drilled into but you can also study my work for that.
Most importantly keep asking this fucking question with all your might and dont be afraid that you might drill into the/an answer.
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:15 pm

depression is seen, often, as the result of chemically pathological brains - there's a wrong answer for ya.

Humans are dynamic social beings. Despression is directly affected by
meaningful work
meaningful activity - where you desire to improv and thus are willing to go through the pain of repetition and seeming dead end to do that
social life
being in nature.

small steps to improving any of those, improves depression. And vastly better than drugs do, and further, drugs just beg the question.

It makes a few people a lot of money to make depression an isolated even in a static brain.

But it is via our relationships - to things, activities, other people and nature - that we feel right in our souls.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:22 pm

Well yeah meaning is absent in depression.
I disagree however that small steps are the key.
Maybe after one gigantic leap they amount to something.
But the whole issue of depression is a big slippery hole. Every small step just confirms that there is no way out.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:48 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Well yeah meaning is absent in depression.
I disagree however that small steps are the key.
Fair enough. I think however we live in a world where people want magic bullets. They want their headache gone, now. They don't want to know where it came from, what their body is trying to tell them. So yes, A gigantic leap is fine. I certainly don't rule them out.
Maybe after one gigantic leap they amount to something.
But the whole issue of depression is a big slippery hole. Every small step just confirms that there is no way out.
If you take small steps that are not real, sure.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:54 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Well yeah meaning is absent in depression.
I disagree however that small steps are the key.
Fair enough. I think however we live in a world where people want magic bullets. They want their headache gone, now. They don't want to know where it came from, what their body is trying to tell them. So yes, A gigantic leap is fine. I certainly don't rule them out.
Ill reiterate that they are necessary. That we got Trump elected was a gigantic leap.
You need to change reality to beat depression. It is not something inward. It is being a loser and knowing it.

Maybe after one gigantic leap they amount to something.
But the whole issue of depression is a big slippery hole. Every small step just confirms that there is no way out.
If you take small steps that are not real, sure.

But look closer at the metaphor, I meant to say that small real steps are impossible. The hurdles to surmount are all-or-nothing type deals.
At least in my experience with depressed people.

Whats certain is that taking pills to get out of it anchors you forever in the defeated mentality, it makes one grow happy to be powerless, or at least, a slanted grin forms on their face and they become all too jolly and "what can be wrong?" - they become "gay". Estrogen takes over testosterone.

I guess for depressed women it is opposite. Ive seen that too.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:29 am

Fixed Cross wrote:Ill reiterate that they are necessary. That we got Trump elected was a gigantic leap.
You need to change reality to beat depression. It is not something inward. It is being a loser and knowing it.
My experience of depressed people is that they often believe that.

But look closer at the metaphor, I meant to say that small real steps are impossible. The hurdles to surmount are all-or-nothing type deals.
At least in my experience with depressed people.
I haven't seen that lasting or that they can integrate large changes very well. If something comes at them from outside, then they sometimes can adjust to it. But hey I'm open to big changes. When you have seen depressed people make a big change, what was this change. I mean, specifically.

Whats certain is that taking pills to get out of it anchors you forever in the defeated mentality, it makes one grow happy to be powerless, or at least, a slanted grin forms on their face and they become all too jolly and "what can be wrong?" - they become "gay".
I'm very anti-med approaches to emotional issues. You got a broken arm, taking morphine alone is stupid. And it cuts of an important feedback to society. People are not pleased with society, so we medicate them. That's as bad as what the Russians did with dissidents and psychiatry. We need to use t his pain to motivate changes - in the individual, in the family, in the town, in society in general. If we do not have the lives we want, taking away the motivation to change them is monstrous.
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Re: Teleologically

Postby Pneumatic-Coma » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:39 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:depression is seen, often, as the result of chemically pathological brains - there's a wrong answer for ya.

Humans are dynamic social beings. Despression is directly affected by
meaningful work
meaningful activity - where you desire to improv and thus are willing to go through the pain of repetition and seeming dead end to do that
social life
being in nature.

small steps to improving any of those, improves depression. And vastly better than drugs do, and further, drugs just beg the question.

It makes a few people a lot of money to make depression an isolated even in a static brain.

But it is via our relationships - to things, activities, other people and nature - that we feel right in our souls.


Insightful! :-k =D> [-o<
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