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Postby Ecmandu » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:43 pm

We hallucinate our reality as variations of platonic forms from the eternal realm, making it impossible to hurt any being regardless of what we do.

That's the next phase in evolution, if it's not already the case!! Yeah!!
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Re: Solved my problem !!! Yeah!!!

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:00 am

Ecmandu wrote:We hallucinate our reality as variations of platonic forms from the eternal realm, making it impossible to hurt any being regardless of what we do.

That's the next phase in evolution, if it's not already the case!! Yeah!!


Let me explain this... it borrows deeply from Plato and Descartes ...

In the eternal realm there is "ecmanduness" "treeness" "triangleness" etc.... that's a mash of Plato and Descartes ... the ideal forms and "beingness" in the ideal realm.

What we do:

We pick our parents and variations of these ideal forms and hallucinate EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in our reality from the ideal realm... if we do this, it is metaphysically IMPOSSIBLE to hurt any being in existence, no matter our hallucinated reality.
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Postby Meno_ » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:59 am

Because we are oh so delicately molded into a oh so fine Void , pressed together through equal centripetal and centrifugal forces.

This mold caused by a form consists of an extremely delicate balance, and IT is designed purposefully toward am end which really , is a beginning.

Yeah, I think You did solved it
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Postby surreptitious75 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:31 am

Ecmandu wrote:
We pick our parents and variations of these ideal forms and hallucinate EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in our reality from the
ideal realm ... if we do this it is metaphysically IMPOSSIBLE to hurt any being in existence no matter our hallucinated reality

Why bother creating an artificial reality if an ideal one already exists. Why not simply experience the ideal forms as they really are
An artificial reality has no need to exist if cannot be an improvement on actual reality. You have not thought this through Ecmandu
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Re: Solved my problem !!! Yeah!!!

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:33 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
We pick our parents and variations of these ideal forms and hallucinate EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in our reality from the
ideal realm ... if we do this it is metaphysically IMPOSSIBLE to hurt any being in existence no matter our hallucinated reality

Why bother creating an artificial reality if an ideal one already exists. Why not simply experience the ideal forms as they really are
An artificial reality has no need to exist if cannot be an improvement on actual reality. You have not thought this through Ecmandu


This reality that we're in is the expression of ideal forms ... it's mostly zero sum, and at that, is far from ideal. What's more, the ideal forms of us are also zero sum... this is a way to non-zero sum reality
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Postby surreptitious75 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:20 pm

So the forms are ideal but the reality they experience is not ideal which makes zero sense as it violates the law of non contradiction
Is better to say that neither forms or society are ideal but that forms strive to make both themselves and society as ideal as possible
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Postby Ecmandu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:34 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:So the forms are ideal but the reality they experience is not ideal which makes zero sense as it violates the law of non contradiction
Is better to say that neither forms or society are ideal but that forms strive to make both themselves and society as ideal as possible


Stratification and suffering still exist in platonic ethereal realms. In a platonic form realm, there is the platonic form of suffering.
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Postby Mitra-Sauwelios » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:10 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:ecmandu, you should review aristotle's critique of the platonic forms, too.

i like what you're thinking here, though. i've had similar thoughts. i came up with this crazy idea that combined nietzsche's eternal recurrence with platonic forms, platonic recollection, and multiverse theory.

so given the fact that in an infinite amount of time, any possible event in a space that consists of a finite amount of energy, must eventually repeat itself, and repeat itself an infinite number of times. a human being, being an event, would therefore be immortal... not because of some cartesian second substance transcending the body after death... but because they, as an event, must happen again. at the same time, nearly identical events can be happening simultaneously; there are other ecmandus existing at this very moment in another space doing something slightly different. each ecmandu exists on its own arrow-of-time, living a unique life. but at the same time, that life (an event) will eventually occur again. so we have both repetition and novelty... or repetitious novelty, if you will.

platonic recollection is an intuitive form of recognizing the eternal recurrence; ecmandu doesn't learn anything in a life that is being repeated, but remembers what he knows (since he knew it the previous life). of course, we experience the 'newness' of knowledge, but it isn't really new because it was known before, by you, when you existed before.

the platonic forms, or the universals as he called them, are the things that are known in each simultaneously existing person in each space regardless of the particular, novel events that are occurring on that particular arrow-of-time. ecmandu experiences a 'dog' in each universe he is existing in, and while each dog is different, the idea of 'dog' is the same for all the ecmandus.

regarding your comment that it is impossible to hurt anyone... i don't agree, as pain is very real. i will submit that because everyone is essentially indestructible, there is only pain, and no death. well i mean individual deaths in each individual universe or space-time or whatever you wanna call it, but no absolute death (or termination of the process of 're-eventing', so to speak).
what then is the purpose of our existing in each life in each universe? i have no idea, but i'd imagine it has something to do with a kind of territorialization. we exist where we do for the purposes of dominating, controlling and therefore designing, through creative and destructive efforts, the environment that we exist in. we do this because we experience joy in doing it, but not everyone has the same ideal in mind; hence the conflict between people.

but no, nobody dies... rather their 'event' stops existing... and then the first-person point of view (consciousness) they had continues seamlessly in another one of their infinite life events elsewhere in the multiverse.

oh, and killing someone doesn't end them. it just forces them out of a particular territory. it's an eviction, not an annihilation.
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Postby Ecmandu » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:03 am

These are curious constructs ...

Eternal recurrence is impossible .... it would have to be the EXACT SAME!!' Which means it can only happen once. Besides, what's the eternal recurrence of growth and evolution? Self referential cancelling of stagnancy ...,

Eternal recurrence is actually a moral maxim for neitzche ..."how to live a life you'd always want to live". Like Kane's imperative or the golden rule or ghandis "be the change you want to see in the world"

I refuse to use the universe / multi verse language anymore... it is YOUR REALITY.
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Postby Ecmandu » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:04 am

Ecmandu wrote:These are curious constructs ...

Eternal recurrence is impossible .... it would have to be the EXACT SAME!!' Which means it can only happen once. Besides, what's the eternal recurrence of growth and evolution? Self referential cancelling of stagnancy ...,

Eternal recurrence is actually a moral maxim for neitzche ..."how to live a life you'd always want to live". Like Kant's imperative or the golden rule or ghandis "be the change you want to see in the world"

I refuse to use the universe / multi verse language anymore... it is YOUR REALITY.
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It's perfect!!

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:02 am

Now, there is the platonic form of infinitely undesired suffering... so clearly platonic form as described by serendipitous isn't indicative of supreme desire for ones self.

Having looked through all the universes arguments, making variations of platonic forms to our desire (hallucinated reality) solves the zero sum problem, solves for a hyper-reality where no being is hurt against its will (you can only hurt yourself)...
It's perfect.
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Postby Mitra-Sauwelios » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:18 am

"The creation of the world: perhaps it was then thought of by some Indian dreamer as an ascetic operation on the part of a god! Perhaps the god wanted to banish himself into active and moving nature as into an instrument of torture, in order thereby to feel his bliss and power doubled!" (Nietzsche, Daybreak 113. Cf. my "Insightful analysis of Dawn 113.")
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Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:50 am

Ecmandu wrote:We hallucinate our reality as variations of platonic forms from the eternal realm, making it impossible to hurt any being regardless of what we do.

That's the next phase in evolution, if it's not already the case!! Yeah!!


They say birth is an extremely painful event for the baby. Did the baby choose to be born to experience the torture ahead or dis he not know? If he didn't then it could not have been his choice, unless being unborn is the greater pain.
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Postby Ecmandu » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:27 am

Meno_ wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:We hallucinate our reality as variations of platonic forms from the eternal realm, making it impossible to hurt any being regardless of what we do.

That's the next phase in evolution, if it's not already the case!! Yeah!!


They say birth is an extremely painful event for the baby. Did the baby choose to be born to experience the torture ahead or dis he not know? If he didn't then it could not have been his choice, unless being unborn is the greater pain.


Any pain you have, you chose.

The extremely perfect thing about this system is that we choose, from all the information of platonic forms what our life will be, as a hallucinated reality, meaning, that if we choose one where we get hurt, it's only us causing it, nobody else hurts regardless of what we choose in this construction, not even a hallucinated microbe!!
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Postby Gloominary » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:16 am

I've yet to see any proof for Plato's forms.
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