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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:30 am

What is "Collective Wisdom"?

Let me share my understanding of the expression:

1) Imagine 2 groups of 10 people walking into a meeting to discuss an urgent and seriously challenging issue.

2) Both groups are composed of learned, experienced and well respected individuals across a wide range of disciplines.

3) Group 'A' acts normally ... ergo ... brings their ego with them into the meeting.

4) Group 'B' somehow have the ability to park their ego at the door on the way into the meeting.

Some argue the outcome(s) of Group B reflect "Collective Wisdom".
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:31 am

Wisdom per se is not conditioned upon 'ego' i.e. egoistic people.

The problem with a team of egoistic people is perhaps collective wisdom is hard to come by from these team but nevertheless possible because wisdom must ultimately be objective and practical.

Wisdom per se need to supported by real experiences, rational arguments, evidences and it can be tested and repeatable most of the time.
Note the simple wisdom of looking left-right-left before crossing a busy roads with cars to avoid being killed. It is very rational and probable and there are sufficient evidence to prove reckless crossing of a road has killed many people.
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:45 am

Prismatic567 wrote:Wisdom per se is not conditioned upon 'ego' i.e. egoistic people. not sure true for all levels of wisdom

The problem with a team of egoistic people is perhaps collective wisdom is hard to come by from these team abundantly self evident here at ILP :-) but nevertheless possible not so sure because wisdom must ultimately be objective and practical.

Wisdom per se need to supported by real experiences, rational arguments, evidences and it can be tested and repeatable most of the time. operative word being "most"
Note the simple wisdom of looking left-right-left before crossing a busy roads with cars to avoid being killed. It is very rational and probable and there are sufficient evidence to prove reckless crossing of a road has killed many people.is it fair to say wisdom is superior to knowledge?
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:15 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:is it fair to say wisdom is superior to knowledge?

No, superiority is not an appropriate comparison.

'Knowledge' is limited to epistemology.

Epistemology (/ɪˌpɪstɪˈmɒlədʒi/ (About this sound listen); from Greek ἐπιστήμη, epistēmē, meaning 'knowledge', and λόγος, logos, meaning 'logical discourse') is the branch of philosophy concerned with the theory of knowledge.[1]
Epistemology studies the nature of knowledge, justification, and the rationality of belief.


Whereas 'wisdom' must involve the practical application of knowledge with element of optimality.
wisdom = the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise.
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:12 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:is it fair to say wisdom is superior to knowledge?

No, superiority is not an appropriate comparison. Is it really that simple? I'm thinking about the numerous cultures that attributed wisdom to the elders ... because the elders had more knowledge?

'Knowledge' is limited to epistemology.

Epistemology (/ɪˌpɪstɪˈmɒlədʒi/ (About this sound listen); from Greek ἐπιστήμη, epistēmē, meaning 'knowledge', and λόγος, logos, meaning 'logical discourse') is the branch of philosophy concerned with the theory of knowledge.[1]
Epistemology studies the nature of knowledge, justification, and the rationality of belief.


Whereas 'wisdom' must involve the practical application of knowledge with element of optimality.
wisdom = the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise.hasn't wisdom existed with the absence of knowledge ... today's science was not available to the ancients. Wu Wei for example.
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:43 am

Prismatic567 wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:is it fair to say wisdom is superior to knowledge?

No, superiority is not an appropriate comparison. Is it really that simple? I'm thinking about the numerous cultures that attributed wisdom to the elders ... because the elders had more knowledge?

'Knowledge' is limited to epistemology.

Epistemology (/ɪˌpɪstɪˈmɒlədʒi/ (About this sound listen); from Greek ἐπιστήμη, epistēmē, meaning 'knowledge', and λόγος, logos, meaning 'logical discourse') is the branch of philosophy concerned with the theory of knowledge.[1]
Epistemology studies the nature of knowledge, justification, and the rationality of belief.

In some specific sense 'wisdom' may appear to be more effective than knowledge in certain circumstance, and vice versa. But in general, it is not wise to compare 'knowledge' with 'wisdom' and establish a conclusive view, the reason being because they both independently has great benefits to mankind.
A wrong comparison without taking into account contexts may promote a habituated bias for one over the other.

There are so many fields of knowledge that contribute to technology, medicines, etc. that do not involve wisdom.
The ability of Science and Medicine to cure diseases objectively is not particularly wisdom.
A child doing an experiment with oxygen and hydrogen to get water is not wisdom. This is testing and reproducing objective scientific knowledge.

Whereas 'wisdom' must involve the practical application of knowledge with element of optimality.
wisdom = the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise.hasn't wisdom existed with the absence of knowledge ... today's science was not available to the ancients. Wu Wei for example.
Note,

Wisdom or sapience is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] There appears to be consensus that wisdom is associated with attributes such as compassion, experiential self-knowledge, non-attachment and virtues such as ethics and benevolence. - wiki
The ability of Science and Medicine to cure diseases objectively is not particularly wisdom.

The advice to be nice to one's neighbors, friends and others is wisdom.
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:38 am

Prismatic ... a substantial point ... eloquently illustrated ... ergo ... comparison is misleading.

How about this as a starting point?

Layers in a symbiotic relationship ... akin to Teilhard's geosphere ... biosphere ... and noosphere.
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Re: Collective Wisdom

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:20 am

Instinct ... Knowledge ... Wisdom

Experience being the lightning rod that empowers the symbiotic relationship between/among the three layers.
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