Half Life

*Laughs, no, what’re you trying to say? :laughing: :confused:

Gloominary

I suppose that you did in your own way. You did say OFTEN.

That has also been my experience. I think the phrase “Curiosity killed the cat” works here.
Sometimes knowing stuff can be detrimental.
Think of the I or the Self as a block of wood. The nihilist within me at times needs to whittle it down, to form and shape it in a way where the person can be made more “real”.
We do not really need to have so much excess baggage become a part of us.

Do you mean that you are able to see value in what is important and what is not?
It has also been my experience that this or that is really not that important.
It is like cleaning house. The more junk which we once thought as valuable and important can be thrown away to give way to more inner space insofar as the self goes.
How freeing that can be, right?

Hmm… I am not so sure of that. Wouldn’t that necessarily depend on the individual?
Some could never be satiated and others may be for a time. Balance! I may be wrong here.
We are all different in a way.

But on the other side of that coin, doing less might make ourselves more of who we truly are, not less so ~~ unless you are speaking of plain old laziness and apathy

I firmly attest to that! Without wonder there is no mystery or thirst for knowledge, no real magic within the world (not the witch’s brew).

Well, couldn’t you still wonder about what you already know? Everything is not set in stone.
Consider everything which we have learned which has more or less turned out to be wrong.
If we hadn’t wondered or re-considered, where would knowledge?

Actually, you are not the gloominary which you call yourself albeit there is the candle which surrounds the gloom though I would not necessarily call the darkness gloom.
It can be quite beautiful…the darkness that is.

Dude. I think I figured out why you’ve adopted the username Gloominary. There’s only like 12 days of warm weather in Canada per year. Move to Tallahassee or someplace warm for a while, I’m betting your repost of the same subject will reveal a new vigor for life. Just my two cents.

@Anomaly

While Vancouver Canada, where I’m from, isn’t much cooler than Seattle and hardly receives any snow, we receive twice as much rain as London England, so that might partly explain my gloominosity.

Arc

Precisely, I was thinking that exact, phrase too. :laughing:

I was under the impression nihilists try to destroy, not refashion into something more streamlined, but whatever, the word nihilism gets tossed around so often, it’s aptly lost much of its meaning.
This sounds more like minimalism to me than nihilism, a minimization of the self, doing away with the excess, frivolous or inauthentic parts.

Right, we only have so much time and energy, so we tend to get more discriminating with how we spend it as we mature, including the time/energy we spend thinking and feeling about things, and identifying with them.

We’re all able to see the value in what is (un)important, some more than others.

What I mean is, the more general knowledge I have, the more important knowledge, or wisdom I’m likely to have, unless it’s all inapplicable book smarts.
There’s more of a limit on how much wisdom you can have than on how much knowledge, for wisdom is about important things, pertaining to your life, where as knowledge can be about anything and everything.
There’s only so much you can learn about your life and how to live it before it becomes trivia, which’s not to say there aren’t always more important lessons to learn here and there, sporadically, where as you can go on studying and speculating about the heavens and the earth, other life forms, or other peoples lives for eternity, and never be exhausted.

Right, as I was saying our time/energy is limited, not only for how much stuff we can do and have, but for how much stuff we can care about, or identify with.
It is all about balance, how many things we give ourselves over to, you can give yourself over to too many things or too few, most people have a tendency towards excess rather than lack.

Right but I said the more satiated we are, these people you speak of are virtually insatiable.

Apathy and laziness is an important part of who some of us are.
If there’s little or nothing authentic or meaningful to do, you should just stay put, and not do much.
This idea that we all are, can or ought to be excited by life, is harmful.
And the more stuff we push ourselves to do, that don’t need to be done, or that we don’t really feel like doing, the less there is to do, which actually perpetuated apathy/sloth in a round about way.
There are limits to how much we can progress as individuals and a society.
People also have different temperaments, some people are melancholic or phlegmatic by nature, not everyone is sanguine, nor should they feel pressured to medicate themselves into being as such.
Doing, for doing’s sake, is very inauthentic, wasteful and, evil.

Yes, but sometimes there’s nothing to reconsider, or everything that can be meaningfully reconsidered has already been.
As we learn and reconsider what we’ve learned, we run out of things to learn and reconsider, or at least it becomes more difficult to discover brand, spanking new things to learn about and reconsider.

I’m sorry I’m not following you. :laughing:

Gloominary,

Well, I do not know about you but I am able to think in terms of whittling something down as a form of destruction. Technically speaking, this is NOT nihilism but are you able to see letting go and detaching as being positively and realistically lol nihilistic in nature?

I can see that too. But is there not more than one word to describe how we interpret something?
Minimalism is the intentional promotion of the things we most value and the removal of everything that distracts us from it.
Realistic nihilism? lol

That would certainly depend on the individual. Do you see many adult WEs living their lives in that way? :-k
It is a process.

All? I doubt that. But I do think that we can learn that, step by step, in moments of awareness. But the seeing does not always do the trick. We are half asleep.

What do YOU mean by general knowledge before I try to respond to you here?

:-k As for the first part, why do you think that is, aside from wisdom being about important things?
Intelligence and wisdom ~~ do they not kind of go together? Intelligence is the seeing and gathering in of information and utilizing it. What would wisdom be? Utilizing it
toward the greatest positive advantage for one and/or all?

Hmmm…something about that just does not quite ring true to me.
Human beings are complicated creatures. We are not simple. There is much hidden from us. We are like what is below the iceberg lol. Our psyches themselves are like unexplored space and dark matter.
We grow, we evolve, our lives change in different ways (hopefully) so how can you say that?

Isn’t Life spectacular? There IS a panoramic view there but much of the space which we see is what we see before we exist the tunnel.
We really do have to wake up, do we not?

This is where intelligence and wisdom walk hand in hand, I think.

Balance is beautiful. I suppose that it is okay though to lean a bit far this way or that sometimes. Then we really learn about balance.

Do you think this position for a count of _____, once a day, can embed a sense of all-around balance into our brains and lives?

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Do you mean to say that they value these things?

That is a learned pattern. What would you say to these people to wake them up?

Balance again. What would you tell them to do here?

I think that I can see that as happening. Why do you think some people have this mindset? What creates it in them?

But how do we learn to intuit and to balance what are our actual limits and at the same time allow ourselves to be a kind of limitlessness?

Hmmm…I am not so sure about that. I may be wrong here, but wouldn’t that depend on the individual and the circumstances?
For example, if someone has a tendency toward laziness and apathy, it might be a good thing in this case to do for doing’s sake…to just plow through that and do what has to be done. It’s a process and a learning experience. Once has to start somewhere, no?
Even the most interested and energetic people at times get a bit lazy and apathetic. Would you tell them “Well, if you do not want to do it, do not do it”. What if it is something which really needs to be done? Responsibility pawns another day.

Do you mean where there is no consciousness of thought or intention wastefulness and evil (strong word there) can occur?

As for the first, I can agree with you. I sometimes would like to get blood out of a stone. :blush:
As for the last, this is true too. Sometimes letting go allows the brain some space to bask in the Sun so to speak and then another seed sprouts up and may be nourished.

Behold my stream of consciousness. I could have expressed that much better.
Can you tell me why you have that username? I am able to see gloominary in a certain way. I do not know what way you see it.

Lol. They can lay one low… and mood at the same time. Sound like you?

Mags, if I’ve personally offended you somehow, it wasn’t my intention, can we move on?

I was being serious. :confused:

…you try to help, and see what happens! :neutral_face:

Thanks, but I don’t need your help, I don’t have bipolar, borderline, depression or whatever you suppose I have, and if that’s not what you’re alluding to, than I’m at a loss. :confused:

Lack of UV light at that latitude. Don’t you crave salmon or anything? Most folks are vit-d deficient, but I can’t imagine you get any that far north unless you eat lots of fish or D pills.

I guess I’m probably lacking in vitamin D, I eat fish like once every two weeks or something.
Does meat have D?
Because I eat it everyday.
I’ll have to duckduckgo.com that.
Or maybe what it is, is I don’t consume caffeine like y’all do.
Anyway I’m mostly fine with the way I am.

I was eluding to none of the above…

Why did you ask me if I’m on medication?
You must be implying that medication might be responsible for my attitude, mood, philosophy.
Well I’m not on any, in fact I’m probably one of the soberest people on this forum.

Life is terribly short in duration and you have to make the best of it because before too long you’re aging where death is knocking on your front door. For younger people this seems ludicrous but as you reach middle age you start realizing the sand hour clock that hangs on your shoulders everyday.

For me right now, making the best of it means relaxing, not working much, eating healthy, tasty food, and going on the computer for 8 hours or more a day, where I research and write on subjects that interest me, listen to music and play video games.

Do what you enjoy is what I say to that. :wink:

Too right! :slight_smile:

Jeez, wow! I simply meant every-day meds… every-day pharma aren’t always good with us, is all I meant.

Never implied anything, but…

According to the USDA, salmon is the best and easiest source of D. ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/nutrients/ … easureby=g

With meat it depends how much time the animal was in the sun (and the latitude) and how much fat is on it, since it’s the fat that stores the fat-soluble vitamins.

Between the scare over sun exposure, the low-fat diets, wearing clothing, and staying indoors most of the time, most people are severely deficient in D.

Vitamin D is the most studied vitamin currently and more-so than all other vitamins combined. It’s actually a hormone. I’d look into it if I were you.

Here’s the world’s foremost expert on D youtube.com/watch?v=hiGBVDcbFVk

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_F … d_research