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True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:04 am

Here is one very philosophical naive statement from JSS.

James S Saint wrote:The word "Truth" refers to LANGUAGE STATEMENTS. It is the language that is either true or false. Reality itself cannot be true or false.
Reality is the standard with which truth is measured.
A true statement is "true to reality" = "aligns with reality", else it is not a true statement.

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Here is Kant's counter to the above;

Hitherto it has been assumed that all our Knowledge must conform to Objects.

But all attempts to extend our Knowledge of Objects by establishing something in regard to them a priori, by means of Concepts, have, on this assumption, ended in Failure.

We must therefore make trial whether we may not have more success in the tasks of Metaphysics, if we suppose that Objects must conform to our Knowledge.
This would agree better with what is desired, namely, that it should be Possible to have Knowledge of Objects a priori, determining something in regard to them prior to their being Given.

    We should then be proceeding precisely on the lines of Copernicus' primary Hypothesis. 1
    Failing of satisfactory progress of explaining the movements of the heavenly bodies on the supposition that they all revolved round the spectator, he tried whether he might not have better success if he made the spectator to revolve and the stars to remain at rest. [B xvii]

A similar experiment can be tried in Metaphysics, as regards the Intuition of Objects.
If Intuition must conform to the constitution of the Objects, I do not see how we could know anything of the latter [the objects] a priori
but if the Object (as Object of the Senses) must conform to the constitution of our Faculty of Intuition, I have no difficulty in conceiving such a possibility.


The whole of Kant's Critique of Reason is an argument to support his above thesis, i.e. objects [reality] to conform with the human faculty of intuition is a possibility in terms of Metaphysics.

But the Philosophical Realists' view that 'knowledge' or truth statements must align with objects [reality] is not possible re Metaphysics.

JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:02 am

Prismatic567 wrote:JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.

Seriously, I am tempted to ask if you are the absolutely most moronic person that has entered this forum or not, but you are hardly the one who would know.

You have asked of me merely whether I and Kant disagree. As far as I can see, and as far as you have proven, you have no idea of what Kant believed or not. Debating you about what Kant believed is nonsense.

Haven't you any argument of your own to present?

You have proven time and time again that you have no comprehension of English words. There is no evidence at all that anyone should accept your notion of what someone like Kant actually believed. You are like a little child, egotistically guessing at what you think other people will respect. Are you serious???

This is a philosophy forum where the average person knows far, far more concerning philosophy than you have encountered. You talk as if no one here has ever had any clue as to what Kant, Hume, Plato, or anyone has ever said. You seem to think that everyone other than you is an ignorant idiot .. which frankly makes you the one guilty of your accusation.

You seem to not even know what the WORD "Reality" actually means, much less the WORD "Truth".

This has become ridiculous.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:17 pm

:evil:
Why bother responding to a post which begins and ends like this :
Prismatic wrote :
Here is one very philosophical naive statement from JSS.

Prismatic wrote :
JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.


What does it say about the psychology of the poster?
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:38 pm

Seriously, I am tempted to ask if you are the absolutely most moronic person that has entered this forum or not, but you are hardly the one who would know.

Whew...I've risen in standing! :wink: :evilfun: :lol:
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:28 am

phyllo wrote::evil:
Why bother responding to a post which begins and ends like this :
Prismatic wrote :
Here is one very philosophical naive statement from JSS.

Prismatic wrote :
JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.


What does it say about the psychology of the poster?
I used such a reciprocated approach with JSS and Aminius because they were the ones who attacked and provoked me first somewhere in the beginning [evidenced by the numerous of reports I have made against JSS since I joined].
My preference is for a genial highly intellectual philosophical discussion.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:34 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.

Seriously, I am tempted to ask if you are the absolutely most moronic person that has entered this forum or not, but you are hardly the one who would know.
I have seen you labelled as 'a moron' in so many posts and I agree those assertions are true.

You have asked of me merely whether I and Kant disagree. As far as I can see, and as far as you have proven, you have no idea of what Kant believed or not. Debating you about what Kant believed is nonsense.
I have stated I spent 3 years full time researching and studying Kant and based on what you have posted on Kant, I believe I know more of Kant than you. Prove if otherwise.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:12 am

Prismatic567 wrote:
phyllo wrote::evil:
Why bother responding to a post which begins and ends like this :
Prismatic wrote :
Here is one very philosophical naive statement from JSS.

Prismatic wrote :
JSS, I don't expect you to understand the above since you don't have the depth but I am presenting it any way as one well recognized philosophical view from one of the greatest philosopher of all times.


What does it say about the psychology of the poster?
I used such a reciprocated approach with JSS and Aminius because they were the ones who attacked and provoked me first somewhere in the beginning [evidenced by the numerous of reports I have made against JSS since I joined].
My preference is for a genial highly intellectual philosophical discussion.

Bullshit. You fling insults at people on a regular basis.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby James S Saint » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:27 am

Prism, you began the insulting when you first arrived by attacking the religious people as psychological deviates, their religions as "evil", and anyone philosophically disagreeing with you as "shallow", "narrow", and "ignorant". On top of that, you then continue to preach sermons, proselytizing your religion while ignoring all of the counter proofs to every claim you make.

The silly thing is that you are merely misled by your misunderstanding of the words you use and read.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:04 pm

and anyone philosophically disagreeing with you as "shallow", "narrow", and "ignorant"
You forgot to mention the latest addition - "immature". :evil:
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:34 am

James S Saint wrote:Prism, you began the insulting when you first arrived by attacking the religious people as psychological deviates, their religions as "evil", and anyone philosophically disagreeing with you as "shallow", "narrow", and "ignorant". On top of that, you then continue to preach sermons, proselytizing your religion while ignoring all of the counter proofs to every claim you make.

The silly thing is that you are merely misled by your misunderstanding of the words you use and read.
You are lying.

I review my first post since I joined 02 Nov 2014 and I was having various genial discussions with Zinnat and various posters.

As early as 21 Nov 2014, this was your very sharp one word attack with any supporting arguments.and that has been going on till the present with strings of provocations.

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:There has never been any empirical verification of God's existence, therefore god does not exist empirically.

False.

Prismatic567 wrote:God is impossible because it is conceptually impossible.
A concept comprised various properties.
The properties attributable to God are that of omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotent and implicitly Omni-whatever. The other properties are perfection, completeness, totality, etc. These are impossible empirical properties.

False.


An the above has been going on till the present with strings of other provocations.

Note I am not any sitting duck, when attacked I will obviously counter attack with justifications.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:48 am

phyllo wrote:
Prismatic wrote :
I used such a reciprocated approach with JSS and Aminius because they were the ones who attacked and provoked me first somewhere in the beginning [evidenced by the numerous of reports I have made against JSS since I joined].
My preference is for a genial highly intellectual philosophical discussion.

Bullshit. You fling insults at people on a regular basis.
Show me where have I counter attack with other unprovocative posters other than JSS, Aminius & [maybe 1 or 2 other provocateurs].

The fact is the ones who attack me first are usually theists who are generally very sensitive to any critiques of the existence of God to the extent of murdering and injuring those who critique God. [this is so evident]. In this forum, some theists had attacked and condemned me with all sorts of provocative remarks [one liners] without any sound arguments.

Phyllo, we disagreed and I don't think both of us had engaged in such unpleasant remarks.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby surreptitious75 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:17 am

James wrote:
The word Truth refers to LANGUAGE STATEMENTS. It is the language that is either true or false. Reality itself cannot be true or false

Reality cannot be false because that concept is both logically and physically impossible

Reality pertains to that which is real so therefore can only be true
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:48 am

The fact is the ones who attack me first are usually theists who are generally very sensitive to any critiques of the existence of God to the extent of murdering and injuring those who critique God.

I hope you intend to rephrase that because what you wrote is beyond distasteful.
Phyllo, we disagreed and I don't think both of us had engaged in such unpleasant remarks.

During the past week, you have called me shallow, ignorant and immature.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:20 am

phyllo wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:The fact is the ones who attack me first are usually theists who are generally very sensitive to any critiques of the existence of God to the extent of murdering and injuring those who critique God.

I hope you intend to rephrase that because what you wrote is beyond distasteful.

Not to mention another blatant lie.

And now his holiness declares that stating "false" after one of his proclamations is an "attack" from which he is justified in self-righteous name calling, ignoring, and tossing demeaning accusations.

This guy is a seriously sad case. And since there have been a dozen people watching his holiness behave this way and yet he still denies it, either he thinks that everyone here is an idiot, which in fact he has alluded to, or he really is delusional, forbidding himself from seeing just how low-minded he is. I suspect a little of both.

The truth of it is this:
James S Saint wrote:Prism, you began the insulting when you first arrived by attacking the religious people as psychological deviates, their religions as "evil", and anyone philosophically disagreeing with you as "shallow", "narrow", and "ignorant". On top of that, you then continue to preach sermons, proselytizing your religion while ignoring all of the counter proofs to every claim you make.

The silly thing is that you are merely misled by your misunderstanding of the words you use and read.




surreptitious75 wrote:Reality cannot be false because that concept is both logically and physically impossible

Reality pertains to that which is real so therefore can only be true

As I said, "true" or "false" do not apply to reality. For something to be true, it must be true in reference to something besides itself, else every idiot's thoughts are "true" merely because he is a real person and agrees with himself. Of course, Prism would favor that.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:29 am

phyllo wrote:
The fact is the ones who attack me first are usually theists who are generally very sensitive to any critiques of the existence of God to the extent of murdering and injuring those who critique God.

I hope you intend to rephrase that because what you wrote is beyond distasteful.
Why should I?
It is fact and there are glaring evidences SOME evil prone theists [from Islam] have been murdering and killing those who critique God and the existence of God.
Such killing had been going on since the idea of God emerged thousands of years ago, note the inquisition and the blasphemy laws that cropped up everywhere.

If you do not condemn such evil acts in the most 'distasteful' manner you would be indirectly complicit to those evil acts.


Phyllo, we disagreed and I don't think both of us had engaged in such unpleasant remarks.

During the past week, you have called me shallow, ignorant and immature.
I only retaliate only when attacked. Generally I don't view you as 'nasty.'
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:46 am

Prismatic567 wrote:It is fact and there are glaring evidences SOME evil prone theists [from Islam] have been murdering and killing those who critique God and the existence of God.

There you go.

And yet you accuse "Theists" (members of this forum), not even bothering to limit it to Islam theists, because you hate them all. You have called us MURDERERS, not merely some obscure Islamic priests somewhere.

And then you have the serious ignorance as to claim that it is only religious people who kill anyone, which is pure 100% bullshit.

How many wars in the last 100 years have been over religion? NONE. Even in the Middle East, they are fighting over LAND, MONEY, and OIL. The Communists murdered millions of Christians for sake of your disgusting religion. Oh, but lets not look at that. Ah, so You must be a murder too!! Obviously you hate enough for it.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:05 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:It is fact and there are glaring evidences SOME evil prone theists [from Islam] have been murdering and killing those who critique God and the existence of God.

There you go.

And yet you accuse "Theists" (members of this forum), not even bothering to limit it to Islam theists, because you hate them all. You have called us MURDERERS, not merely some obscure Islamic priests somewhere.
I was not referring to theists in this forum. It cannot be because no theist in this forum has declared they had killed non-theists nor there are evidence anyone have done so.
I was not precise and I was referring to theists outside the forum who had murdered and killed those who critique God.

And then you have the serious ignorance as to claim that it is only religious people who kill anyone, which is pure 100% bullshit.
Where did I state this? You have this great tendency to pull out 'lies' from nowhere.

]How many wars in the last 100 years have been over religion? NONE. Even in the Middle East, they are fighting over LAND, MONEY, and OIL. The Communists murdered millions of Christians for sake of your disgusting religion. Oh, but lets not look at that. Ah, so You must be a murder too!! Obviously you hate enough for it.

The above are straw men.
First this point is on theist killers so don't bring the Communist killers [they must be condemned but in another forum].

My original point is, SOME theists have killed non-theists who critiqued God and the existence of God. The evidence is so glaring, here is a couple amongst the many,

Atheist blogger who spoke out against radical Islam hacked to death in Bangladesh
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2592051

Man ‘sentenced to death for atheism’ in Saudi Arabia
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 03161.html
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:10 am

Prismatic567 wrote:I was not referring to theists in this forum.

Bullshit. Now you're just trying to lie your way out it.
..typical. =;
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:28 pm

Why should I?
You basically equated people who attack you on this forum with murderers. :shock:
I only retaliate only when attacked. Generally I don't view you as 'nasty.'
:-k You don't even acknowledge that you said those things about me.

Maybe you should not use the words "narrow", "shallow", "ignorant" and "immature" in your posts. That might be a workable solution.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:26 am

phyllo wrote:
Why should I?
You basically equated people who attack you on this forum with murderers. :shock:
Nope. I am evidence based. I don't accuse anyone unless there are justified proofs.

My original intended point is; theists are strongly driven by primal psychological impulses by the "zombie parasite" which is expressed in a range of degrees and they retaliate when their security "threatened" also in degrees ranging from mild to murder to genocide.

I only retaliate only when attacked. Generally I don't view you as 'nasty.'
:-k You don't even acknowledge that you said those things about me.
I cannot remember in your case but if I ever do is because I had responded necessarily and appropriately from my perspective.

Maybe you should not use the words "narrow", "shallow", "ignorant" and "immature" in your posts. That might be a workable solution.

Frankly I wish I do not have to use those words.
The above terms are not direct personal attacks but rather those terms when used described the state of the person's posted philosophical views. [note remarks are on the person's specific philosophical view not the person directly.]
I only use those terms when one attack my views derogatorily without proper arguments and justifications.
When I use those terms I normally provide the justifications why they are so.

From your side, what about you NOT jumping in to condemn my views derogatorily but rather you provide arguments. I noted you do give arguments most of the time but at times attack unnecessarily.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:33 am

Hilarious :text-lol:
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:36 am

phyllo wrote:Hilarious :text-lol:
This is what I meant by being provocative and goading rather than giving arguments and views. I am tempted to strike back, but I am holding back.
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Re: True and Aligns With Reality??

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:53 am

Come on. Read your post and try to say that it's not funny. :D
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