Can solipsists be humanists?

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Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby Arminius » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:01 am

I believe that solipsists are not able to be humanists for several reasons. The main reason is that most humans want economical wealth based on technological progression; technology and economy are mainly based on rationality; rationality is mainly negated by solipsists. Solipsists are extreme subjectivists, anti-objectivists, anti-realists, anti-rationalists, even anti-logicians , ... nihilists. Merely their own thoughts their own perceptions exist according to them. They are merely believing in their subjective thoughts and their subject perceptions. So they are isolating themselves from all other humans, and this means when it comes to humanism: solipsists are anti-humanists.

This thread is not about ethics. So it is not meant for the discussion whether solipsists are ethically good or evil people. This thread is about the logic behind solipsists and solipsism on the one side and the logic behind humanists and humanism on the other side.

The proposition is that solipsism and humanism are incompatible.

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Re: Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:16 am

Are people supposed to be humanists?
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Re: Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby Alf » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:45 am

I voted "no". Solipsism and humanism are in fact incompatible.

George Berkeley was a solipsist and most certainly no humanist. There are more examples.

And ILP is even teeming with solipsists.

Magnus Anderson wrote:Are people supposed to be humanists?

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Re: Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:44 am

You have to define 'humanism' and 'humanist' first before you go on to condemn others.
The point that you did not define the terms and by what you have presented you are actually kicking your own backside.

Wiki wrote:Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism and empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition. The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] The term was coined by theologian Friedrich Niethammer at the beginning of the 19th century to refer to a system of education based on the study of classical literature ("classical humanism"). Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of human freedom and progress.

In modern times, humanist movements are typically non-religious movements aligned with secularism, and today humanism typically refers to a non-theistic life stance centred on human agency and looking to science rather than revelation from a supernatural source to understand the world.

Note the above,
" ... today humanism [thus humanists] typically refers to a non-theistic life stance "

Since you are a 'theist' [based on what you have posted] it is unlikely you are a humanist.

In addition, Solipsism is an incoherent theory,
Have you read and argue against it to insist your continual use of 'solipsism'.

But in your ignorance of the above and your insistence in labeling others as solipsistic, your views are actually solipsistic. See my proof here.
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Re: Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby Alf » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:05 pm

Prismatic, you are one of the ILP examples I spoke of, since you are a solipsist, as you and many others have proven, and you claim to be a "humanist". You have also said that you believe in "multiple realities" which are schizophrenic delusions.

And this explains everything about you and your religion.

You are a solipsistic theist believing in the "humanity" god of multiple realities for each solipsist. And each strawman is your angel.

And the fact that you are ignoring everything besides you has to do with the reason why you can live as a solipsist in multiple realities: schizophrenic delusions.
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Re: Can solipsists be humanists?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:06 pm

I couldn't say that it is impossible for a solipsist to also be a humanist. Even though the solipsist believes that he is the only real existence, what he imagines in his mind still holds value to him. Even in a dream, one can care about the fairy unicorn. So if the solipsist in question happens to dream that his fairyland people are the highest power in the universe, then he would still be a humanist, just another silly one.
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