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Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:04 am

Some people are wired in their spirits to be HANDS-ON parents. If they get pregnant and they see that something is interfering with their ability to be hands-on parents, they have every right to abort. Are you literally going to tell people the world over that they shouldn't want to be hands-on parents who acknowledge that in this particular pregnancy, that they can't be in the capacity they choose?

Let me go a step further....

We know FOR A FACT, that if we strapped women to tables and forced them to have 30 pregnancies each, which is about 50 babies, that, that is 150 BILLION babies that would absolutely be here in one generation!! We are aborting billions of beings that we know for a fact would necessarily be here, every second.

Pro-choice, has never, and will never, be pro-death of existence !!!

Roe v. Wade needs to stand to actually give us a life worth living
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Innovice » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:29 pm

I think more people should be both pro-life and pro-choice at the same time.

Meaning, from a personal perspective, its generally wrong to abort a fetus.

But at the same time, it should not be the governments role to mandate what a woman chooses to do with her body while pregnant.

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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:27 am

Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Piereinut » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:07 am

But maybe Ken is a parent. I accept the mistake of the child. And encouraging children
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby URUZ » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:56 pm

Deliberately kill a developing human being, ok then.

Good luck trying to justify that. Murder is murder.

But hey what do I know? Libtards either think there is some magical line at X weeks where suddenly the developing human being goes from not worthy of respect and basic human consideration to being worthy of it, or they think that it is ok to kill a developing human being all the way up to its birth, but somehow magically not ok to kill it once it’s born a few seconds later.

Then again these are the same people who think a developing human being is “part of the mother’s body” simply because it happens to be developing inside her body. lol.

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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:40 am

Are libtards worthy of respect and basic human consideration?

It's a discussion board. If you can't have one without using slurs, then reconsider whether intellectual discourse is really something you want to pursue.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby URUZ » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:58 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Are libtards worthy of respect and basic human consideration?

It's a discussion board. If you can't have one without using slurs, then reconsider whether intellectual discourse is really something you want to pursue.



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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:18 pm

I have zero opinion on abortion being neither pro nor anti
One thing though : pro lifers are not pro life but pro birth
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:09 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?


Consider the individual who would someday evolve from that unborn baby.

How many lives might it have possibly, potentially someday have saved through medicine, wartime, et cetera?

How many wonderful useful books might it have written had he/she lived?

How much love, caring and happiness might this individual have extended to many others? What if the woman, who was someday to become Mother Teresa, had been aborted as a fetus?

Consider this individual having grown up and having a joyful happy purposeful life. An abortion would have denied this individual a life full of qualia.

Doesn't each and every individual ALSO affect us and the universe in great ways which we could not even imagine?

What would be right about aborting this fetus?!
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My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
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A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
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If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:22 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?


Consider the individual who would someday evolve from that unborn baby.

How many lives might it have possibly, potentially someday have saved through medicine, wartime, et cetera?

How many wonderful useful books might it have written had he/she lived?

How much love, caring and happiness might this individual have extended to many others? What if the woman, who was someday to become Mother Teresa, had been aborted as a fetus?

Consider this individual having grown up and having a joyful happy purposeful life. An abortion would have denied this individual a life full of qualia.

Doesn't each and every individual ALSO affect us and the universe in great ways which we could not even imagine?

What would be right about aborting this fetus?!
The pointlessness of such "what if" questions ...

What if it develops into an adult who kills countless people? Or starts the final war which annihilates the human race? Or creates a genetically modified organism which devastates plants and animals?
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:36 pm

phyllo wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?


Consider the individual who would someday evolve from that unborn baby.

How many lives might it have possibly, potentially someday have saved through medicine, wartime, et cetera?

How many wonderful useful books might it have written had he/she lived?

How much love, caring and happiness might this individual have extended to many others? What if the woman, who was someday to become Mother Teresa, had been aborted as a fetus?

Consider this individual having grown up and having a joyful happy purposeful life. An abortion would have denied this individual a life full of qualia.

Doesn't each and every individual ALSO affect us and the universe in great ways which we could not even imagine?

What would be right about aborting this fetus?!
The pointlessness of such "what if" questions ...

What if it develops into an adult who kills countless people? Or starts the final war which annihilates the human race? Or creates a genetically modified organism which devastates plants and animals?


Why are the above thoughts of positive potential and possibilities so pointless though?
Abortion is by no means a black and white issue.
Questions of morality and ethics are not the same as 1+1=2 are they?
They can be extremely difficult even with having all of the facts.
Very often, there are not many facts. It is just a question of wanting to lay waste a potential human being.
We value our *things* more than our children and future children.

I was simply coming from a place which ALSO answered the question: Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?
I am quite aware of the other side of the coin there and its edge.

When does aborting a fetus cause the least amount of harm to both unborn child and mother?
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Sit in a cage and sing?”
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“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:57 pm

Why are the above thoughts of positive potential and possibilities so pointless though?
Because you don't know how fetus will develop except in a very general sense. One can write a story where it is highly accomplished and/or good and one can write a story where it is incompetent or evil. All are fictions. Statistically it's most likely to be "average", having "common" human experiences and achievements.

A fictitious story is not a good reason to abort or not to abort the fetus. It has emotional pull so it sways opinions.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:02 pm

We value our *things* more than our children and future children.
Yes, it's all about how we value things and what we value.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Arc wrote:
Why are the above thoughts of positive potential and possibilities so pointless though

You are presenting an argument based on appeal to emotion which is a logical fallacy
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:06 pm

phyllo wrote:
We value our *things* more than our children and future children.
Yes, it's all about how we value things and what we value.

One could say that human life is intrinsically valuable. But is it more valuable than the value that a woman places on the ability to control her own life?
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby James S Saint » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:09 pm

phyllo wrote:One could say that human life is intrinsically valuable. But is it more valuable than the value that a woman places on the ability to control her own life?

Is it considered ethical to kill a life so as to make your own life more in control or more comfortable?
Well, to anyone other than women?
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:13 pm

Is it considered ethical to kill a life so as to make your own life more comfortable?
Well, to anyone other than women?
There is a difference between killing a living person ... someone with consciousness, established relationships, who feels pain and "killing" a fetus which has none of that.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby James S Saint » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:30 pm

phyllo wrote:
Is it considered ethical to kill a life so as to make your own life more comfortable?
Well, to anyone other than women?
There is a difference between killing a living person ... someone with consciousness, established relationships, who feels pain and "killing" a fetus which has none of that.

So it's okay for a male to kill one?
A dog?
A virus?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby phyllo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:35 pm

So it's okay for a male to kill one?
A dog?
A virus?
You're a smart guy. You know that details make all the difference.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby James S Saint » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:41 pm

phyllo wrote:
So it's okay for a male to kill one?
A dog?
A virus?
You're a smart guy. You know that details make all the difference.

:wink:
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby James S Saint » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Speaking of details, since a fetus is an oncoming child, considering the magnitude, consequences, and number of paternity suits, it has horrendous potential damage to the male. So by the reasoning that the female has rights to protect her own life from an oncoming child, the male probably has even more right to destroy the fetus even if the female doesn't want to.

And if the father agrees to and attempts in any way, the abortion, he has just grounds to sue the mother for very serious damages to his life.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:25 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?


Consider the individual who would someday evolve from that unborn baby.

How many lives might it have possibly, potentially someday have saved through medicine, wartime, et cetera?

How many wonderful useful books might it have written had he/she lived?

How much love, caring and happiness might this individual have extended to many others? What if the woman, who was someday to become Mother Teresa, had been aborted as a fetus?



Statistically, the odds of any of this shit happening are pretty slim.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:27 am

UrGod wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Are libtards worthy of respect and basic human consideration?

It's a discussion board. If you can't have one without using slurs, then reconsider whether intellectual discourse is really something you want to pursue.



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Your response speaks volumes about your level of maturity and about your ability to participate in a dialoge about a controversial topic. There isn't much that I could say to make you look dumber than you have here on your own. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby URUZ » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:28 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:
UrGod wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Are libtards worthy of respect and basic human consideration?

It's a discussion board. If you can't have one without using slurs, then reconsider whether intellectual discourse is really something you want to pursue.



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Your response speaks volumes about your level of maturity and about your ability to participate in a dialoge about a controversial topic. There isn't much that I could say to make you look dumber than you have here on your own. Thanks for the help.


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Re: Why pro-choice is so important

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:35 am

Please refer to my original statement about how intelligent discourse may not be for you.
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