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Postby encode_decode » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:26 pm

    What follows in this post is the rationale that I now follow to help me understand why I involve myself in the study and analysis of RM:AO.

    For those who do not already know, RM:AO is short for Rational Metaphysics : Affectance Ontology.
    Other posts in this thread may diverge and may point out other aspects of RM:AO.
    (encode_decode AKA Aaron AKA ED AKA En-De - 2017)

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    Written by James S Saint

    RM, and more specifically AO, are aimed at gaining a full ontological understanding of "God, Man, Me, and Reality", beyond Man's current level. RM:AO is the coup de grâce of the struggle to finally put all of the pieces into a single understanding, to finally see very clearly how and why it ALL works as it does.

    The need to see such is only driven by Man's abuse of himself and all things as he lusts for an impossible and unneeded absolute control. RM:AO reveals what absolutely can and cannot be done, and in principle how to accomplish from the status quo to whatever the goal. Of course such would be very analytical and complex, although still much simpler than modern science would have it. RM:AO is for the very few serious thinkers not blinded by personal passions (pride, ego, fear, hatred,..).

    Basically it is an extremely detailed map of principles concerning "how to get along with the universe" derived from "why the universe does what it does". It reveals the highest level of priority from which grand decisions can be made without losing one's way or getting lost in doubt or presumption within the maze of methods and moralities.

    When fully grasped, it answers with certainty the age old question, "What should I/we do? And Why?" Thus ending unnecessary conflict, struggle, and suffering before it ever begins. Being so extremely comprehensive, RM:AO spews general principles and aphorisms concerning every topic. But unlike that great fiery ball in the sky, it is not merely an intensely bright light, but a floodlight of laser coherent illumination, lighting all terrains whether day or night.

    As far as any one individual, each individual must step from where they are and thus have differing needs at different times even if intending the same goal.

    A Contemporary philosophy

      Tethered by reality;
        There is the ongoing cause of all that is.
        There is the order and chaos brought about by that cause.
        There is Life.
        There is the adversary to every life.
        And there is You.. an instance of life.
      The rest is just noise
    Amongst all the noise there are many entities great and small, all vying for attention and ultimate influence – “God wannabes”. Some are mindless formations propagating through their circumstances. Some are forms of life, temporarily struggling to survive, not really knowing why and certainly not how, but merely presuming a purpose, need, and desire. Most all merely adding their bit to the noise.

    Don't sweat the Noise..

    Within the noise, there is logic and understanding, a "firmament within the clouds". And with such understanding arises order and clarity, simplifying the burden upon the mind.

    • Let negative things be fleeting and small.
    • Expect and allow for positive things to accumulate more slowly through give and take within the noise.
    • Filter what comes to you by its relative value to what you are, not that for which you want.
    • Support that which supports you.
    • Match impedance with patience.
    The list could go on and on.

    The inherent purpose in all living things is to maintain and protect their inner harmony. Man learned that in order to do such requires that he obtain and maintain the harmony surrounding him. And from there, all of the insane efforts of the history of homosapiens sprang forth as he attempts threats and false hopes in an effort to control all things.

    All joy is caused by an inner perception of progress toward that harmony and hope (thus the continual effort). Such is the very make of the deepest devoted love, survival, and that known as "Heaven". If you are looking for something to seek that has true meaning, seek that harmony both within and around you. It will be a full time occupation, don't worry about that. The Buddhists call it spiritual enlightenment, "bliss". But it is not a stagnate thing as many have been led to believe. Its momentum is what keeps and maintains it. Try it and you will see. Everything else you try will just be more noise upon yourself and others.

    Finding the Balance – remaining stable

    Self-harmony

    Jun 19, 2012
    Self-harmony is the ideal architecture within, without which there is no "I". That architecture involves both rules of behavior as well as the behavior itself. To establish more or better Self-harmony, it helps to get a measure of where you stand with respect to the ideal so that improvement direction can be discerned.

    How a person treats his environment, the people and things immediately around him, is a reflection of how he is treating himself inside. If he disrespects others, interrupts them while they are talking, disrespects their space or possessions, or quickly judges or ignores them, he is doing that same thing within himself to various concerns, ideas, and parts of his own mind. If he is disorganized, dirty, careless with his own possessions, he is the same way with his thoughts. Thus simply look around and see how you are treating your immediate environment so as to get a measure of what is going on inside your own mind. You are only as harmonious within as how harmonious you are with your environment (given the chance to be).

    Once you have an idea of where you stand with harmonizing your environment and being in harmony with it, you can probably quickly see how to improve it.

    The greater influence upon the inside of you comes from the outside of you. Surround yourself with beauty and you can probably feel it within and will tend to begin being it, behaving in harmony with what you perceive.
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    There is no end to it. And there is no beginning . . .
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      Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

      Postby Arminius » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:50 pm

      "EN:DE" reminds me of the German word "Ende" ("end"). :)

      So, do you understand your "EN:DE" as a "Vollendung" ("completion") of RM:AO?
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      Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

      Postby encode_decode » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:36 am

        It reminded me of that word too but I did not remember that it was German. I Just need something to attach that would make this thread stand out.

        EN:DE = Encode : Decode

        Arminius wrote:"EN:DE" reminds me of the German word "Ende" ("end"). :)

        So, do you understand your "EN:DE" as a "Vollendung" ("completion") of RM:AO?

        As far as I know, RM:AO has no beginning and has no end. That being said I imagine no possible completion of RM:AO.
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          Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

          Postby Arminius » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:22 pm

          But EN:DE must be much orientated on language too.
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          Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

          Postby encode_decode » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:44 pm

          Arminius wrote:But EN:DE must be much orientated on language too.

          I guess it is in a way - I would say that James has encoded RM:AO into a language that he is very familiar with and I attempt to decode that language into a language that I am familiar with, and hopefully along the way I find the secret to decoding it into a language that many are familiar with.

          Unless you have something else in mind.

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            But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
            - which is to say there is always meaning.

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            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

            Postby Arminius » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:18 am

            encode_decode wrote:
            Arminius wrote:But EN:DE must be much orientated on language too.

            I guess it is in a way - I would say that James has encoded RM:AO into a language that he is very familiar with and I attempt to decode that language into a language that I am familiar with, and hopefully along the way I find the secret to decoding it into a language that many are familiar with.

            You will manage it. I am looking forward. :)

            encode_decode wrote:Unless you have something else in mind.

            :-k

            At the moment, I have still two big beers in mind.

            :obscene-drinkingcheers:

            One for RM:AO, and one for EN:DE.

            Cheers. :D
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            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

            Postby Anomaly654 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:42 pm

            I would say that James has encoded RM:AO into a language that he is very familiar with and I attempt to decode that language into a language that I am familiar with, and hopefully along the way I find the secret to decoding it into a language that many are familiar with.

            With this excellent goal in mind, is it at all safe to say PtA is in some sense analogous to the Higgs Field? I inferred it could be thought of as an abstraction from James' (Mr. Saint?) comment that it's not a substance but a situation. For me, Potentials or situations seem like abstractions. So factoring in this...

            PtA, Potential-to-Affect, refers to a physical situation, an arrangement of substance, not the substance itself. Space is similar in that regard. As PtA changes, it becomes the physical substance called "affectance".

            ...puts me in mind of particles of varying kinds affected by [though not composed of] a sea of force. Too far from the intended meaning?

            ...the conceptual realm is more than merely descriptions of the real. The conceptual realm is ALL concepts; ideas, imaginings, ideals, principles, strategies, maps, symbols, and thoughts - the things of form, "in-form-ation". There is nothing physical within the conceptual realm and nothing conceptual within the physical realm.

            What inherently distinguishes them is that the physical realm is made of the changing, specifically the changing of the potential to change, "affect upon affect". But the conceptual realm contains no changing at all. All "affects" in the conceptual realm are more commonly called "relations". If anything was to change in the conceptual realm, other concepts would necessarily have to change also; e.g. If a "straight line" is redefined such as to include curves (as some try to do with General Relativity) then a "square" would no longer have straight sides, because one is defined in terms of the other.

            Is this a commitment to some form of dualism? I do like the explanation. The notion of abstract and concrete realms "touching" but not interacting is interesting.
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            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

            Postby James S Saint » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:23 am

            Anomaly654 wrote:
            I would say that James has encoded RM:AO into a language that he is very familiar with and I attempt to decode that language into a language that I am familiar with, and hopefully along the way I find the secret to decoding it into a language that many are familiar with.

            With this excellent goal in mind, is it at all safe to say PtA is in some sense analogous to the Higgs Field? I inferred it could be thought of as an abstraction from James' (Mr. Saint?) comment that it's not a substance but a situation. For me, Potentials or situations seem like abstractions. So factoring in this...

            "James" is fine. 8)
            The Higgs field is a Quantum Magi ruse. It was invented merely to claim absolute supremacy (Godwannabes). They had to have something similar to the aether field in order to make sense out of their prior claims, but they could never allow a non-quantum field of any kind. The Higgs boson (aka "the God particle") is to arise from the Higgs field in order to initiate the entire quantum mechanical fairy tale. And even though it is entirely fake, just like the Second Law of Thermodynamics, it will be promoted and professed for quite a long time overriding any objections.

            Anomaly654 wrote:
            PtA, Potential-to-Affect, refers to a physical situation, an arrangement of substance, not the substance itself. Space is similar in that regard. As PtA changes, it becomes the physical substance called "affectance".

            ...puts me in mind of particles of varying kinds affected by [though not composed of] a sea of force. Too far from the intended meaning?

            In the macroscopic world, PtA is known as "Voltage", a term with which you are certainly familiar. As a voltage swings up and down very quickly, it radiates EMR (radio waves). The radio waves are the physical energy. The voltage is just the "force". And likewise, PtA is the "voltage" to the "radio waves" of affectance. The PtA swinging propagates a wave of such changing called "affectance". And then since affectance interferes with affectance, traffic jams or clusters can arise, forming sustaining particles of the three basic types.

            And even though on the ultra minuscule scale there are no actual forces (no pushing or pulling), voltage is thought of as a force for electricity. In reality, things just migrate due to uneven affectance densities, giving the impression and effect of a force being present. That is one of the things that has fooled science from day one (none of the Standard Model forces actually exist at all).

            Anomaly654 wrote:
            ...the conceptual realm is more than merely descriptions of the real. The conceptual realm is ALL concepts; ideas, imaginings, ideals, principles, strategies, maps, symbols, and thoughts - the things of form, "in-form-ation". There is nothing physical within the conceptual realm and nothing conceptual within the physical realm.

            What inherently distinguishes them is that the physical realm is made of the changing, specifically the changing of the potential to change, "affect upon affect". But the conceptual realm contains no changing at all. All "affects" in the conceptual realm are more commonly called "relations". If anything was to change in the conceptual realm, other concepts would necessarily have to change also; e.g. If a "straight line" is redefined such as to include curves (as some try to do with General Relativity) then a "square" would no longer have straight sides, because one is defined in terms of the other.

            Is this a commitment to some form of dualism? I do like the explanation. The notion of abstract and concrete realms "touching" but not interacting is interesting.

            Yes, it is a chosen dualism for sake of ease of understanding. As explained before, one can choose an ontology that best suits their need. The Platonic "Mortal and Divine" realms were used so as to allow for thinking in terms of perfect shapes and concepts that never physically exist, while keeping in mind the physical imperfect and changing things commonly found.

            I chose to be a little more precise in declaring a "Physical" and a "Conceptual" for the same kind of reason. And also I often speak of the "Perception Realm" for similar reasons - practicality. The Perception realm refers to all that a mind might perceive, regardless of the truth of the perception so the realm overlays both the Physical and the Conceptual. The Perception Realm is practical to use simply because, as explained earlier, the mind and its emotions are developed from Perception of Hope and Threat (not from actual hope or threat). So the mind deals with both the physical and conceptual realms via perception, including both real and fictitious entities.
            Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
            Else
            From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

            The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

            You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
            The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
            It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
            As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

            Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
            Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

            The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

            Postby encode_decode » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:25 am

              James

              I wanted to bring this part of our conversation over from the reality thread for some contrast in conversation for everybody's benefit.

              James S Saint wrote:Philosophically speaking;
              The nutrients of your life, the resources and efforts that maintain them, are protected from deterioration and erosion by a great deal of neutral, inert obstacles. The foods in the cupboard are protected by the cans, plastic bags, and boxes that are protected by the cabinetry, protected by the walls, protected by the roof, protected by the rest of the world .. to the degree that they are. Most of that which upholds the positive of your life (the constituents of your make, including your efforts and emotions) are neither positive nor negative other than by the service of protection from erosion they afford at the time. How exposed are your positive efforts to corrosion?

              I would honestly have to admit that my efforts have been a little more exposed than I would like this year to provide me with a level of comfort that I am accustomed to but then this is something that can happen in a transition from one philosophy to another - what is still holding me together is the goal that I have set.

              To attain a masterful understanding of RM:AO

              James S Saint wrote:The living core is protected by layer upon layer of the inanimate. Additional positive must filter through all of the neutral, thus "accumulates more slowly". The negative is negative because it sheds even the neutral, thus remains fleeting and small (the wagon of gypsies just outside of town. The "terrorists" just outside the border).

              I had to be a little stubborn to achieve my original targets.

              Targets met!
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                It’s not that truth itself is being eroded per se, it’s that fragmental falsification appears to be increasing.
                (Anomaly654 - 2017)

                But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
                - which is to say there is always meaning.

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                Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                Postby James S Saint » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:15 pm

                encode_decode wrote:the goal that I have set.

                To attain a masterful understanding of RM:AO

                Without your emulator, very little will be gained.
                Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                Else
                From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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                Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                Postby Anomaly654 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:04 pm

                I’d like to focus on one part of the RM:Affectance Ontology-Particle Migration-Momentum and Gravitation video, Anentropic Sheltering.

                Help me understand combined particle regions: to maintain anentropic distance the amount of affectance leaving is more than entering. My layman’s understanding is that the steel wrecking ball can’t merge with the concrete wall due to repulsion of like forces on the subatomic level—steel possessing greater energy (in its atomic makeup plus energy gained in momentum) than concrete at this micro level—results in destruction (particle rearrangement) of the concrete. How would anentropic balance play out here?

                What’s the nature of the union or mechanism of exchange between PtA and Affectance?

                Also, why does the amount of affectance leaving the multiparticle region become greater than that entering when positions of particles relative to one another become close? Unsure of mechanism. If more leaves than enters, wouldn’t that create anentropic imbalance? What’s the mechanism for attraction and repulsion?

                Affectance ontology seems mostly concerned with empirical apparatuses, yet its anentropic sheltering feature or aspect is said to determine “the size and density of all objects and gatherings from subatomic particles to populations to global religions and empires.” Since p ^ ~p seems to not yet have been sufficiently breached on other fronts, how is anentropic sheltering able to do this? Is there a dualism of PtA and PHT in the same environment going on? Can’t see how, if the two realms merely touch but don’t merge somehow, the two (churches/courthouses with religious beliefs/laws) combine?

                Thanks for your patience. It's refreshing to have my mind being twisted around something new.
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                Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                Postby James S Saint » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:16 pm

                Anomaly654 wrote:I’d like to focus on one part of the RM:Affectance Ontology-Particle Migration-Momentum and Gravitation video, Anentropic Sheltering.

                Well, I'm flattered. :oops:

                Anomaly654 wrote:Help me understand combined particle regions: to maintain anentropic distance the amount of affectance leaving is more than entering.

                ??? I don't understand to what you are referring with that statement. "The amount of affectance" leaving what?

                Any and all anentropic forms must always have the same amount of affectance entering as leaving (else it wouldn't be anentropic).

                Anomaly654 wrote:My layman’s understanding is that the steel wrecking ball can’t merge with the concrete wall due to repulsion of like forces on the subatomic level—steel possessing greater energy (in its atomic makeup plus energy gained in momentum) than concrete at this micro level—results in destruction (particle rearrangement) of the concrete. How would anentropic balance play out here?

                Let me answer that after the prior matter is resolved.

                Anomaly654 wrote:What’s the nature of the union or mechanism of exchange between PtA and Affectance?

                That is a disturbing question in that it infers a misunderstanding of PtA and Affectance. Affectance is the propagating waves of changing PtA. It is similar to water molecules versus water waves or more precisely like pulsing voltage and radio waves. So the term "exchange between" doesn't seem to make sense.

                Perhaps imagine that all space is formed of infinitesimal evenly spaced points, each with a PtA level. And since every PtA affects the surrounding PtA levels, waves of changing PtA scatter across space. Those randomly scattering waves would be the "Affectance" - waves of changing PtA levels. In reality, there are no discrete "points in space" other than locations we choose to measure, but the idea of propagating waves is the same. On a little higher macroscale, this is referred to as "EMR", ElectroMagnetic Radiation. "Affectance" refers more to the ultra minuscule scale of the same thing (subparticle).

                Anomaly654 wrote:Also, why does the amount of affectance leaving the multiparticle region become greater than that entering when positions of particles relative to one another become close?

                Affectance delays affectance. That is the "mechanism" that causes buildups and traffic-jam particles to form. The more dense the affectance happens to be, the more delay takes place, causing an increase in the amount of affectance within a dense region, similar to a traffic jam of cars causing an increase in the number of cars on the highway.

                Between two traffic jam clusters of cars, there are more cars still being affected by the main clusters than in outer regions further away from the clusters. Affectance behaves exactly that same way and for the same reasons. Cars cause delays in other cars just as affectance causes delay in other affectance. Particles are merely high density traffic jams of changing PtA or affectance that grows extremely dense in their center.

                Anomaly654 wrote: What’s the mechanism for attraction and repulsion?

                It is hard to readjust your head after being raised thinking in terms of "forces", but in reality, there is no pushing or pulling, nor attracting or repelling. The entire mechanism is nothing more than each pulse or wave of affectance ("afflates") delays and is delayed by others. And the more delaying that is happening, the more dense or compressed the region becomes (this is the cause of Einstein's gravitational "warping of spacetime", General Relativity Theory).

                Anomaly654 wrote:Affectance ontology seems mostly concerned with empirical apparatuses, yet its anentropic sheltering feature or aspect is said to determine “the size and density of all objects and gatherings from subatomic particles to populations to global religions and empires.” Since p ^ ~p seems to not yet have been sufficiently breached on other fronts, how is anentropic sheltering able to do this?

                "p ^ ~p" ??? means what? If you are referring to the boolean truth table, I have no idea what you are saying.

                Anomaly654 wrote:Is there a dualism of PtA and PHT in the same environment going on? Can’t see how, if the two realms merely touch but don’t merge somehow, the two (churches/courthouses with religious beliefs/laws) combine?

                Perception, the PHT, is formed of the physical PtA changing ("affectance") plus a great deal of complex arrangements in order to form a mind, thus PHT is also physical. But when focusing only on the mind, PtA concerns are a bit irrelevant. One need not think of the electron flow and circuitry involved while playing a virtual war game.

                So it isn't an actual dualism between PtA and PHT but more of an analog association. Although there is a dualism between the physical and the conceptual (the mental is not the same as the conceptual but has some union commonality).
                Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                Else
                From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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                Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                Postby encode_decode » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:37 am

                  James

                  I completely understand where you are coming from and your position - I should point out a few things however.

                  James S Saint wrote:Without your emulator, very little will be gained.

                  Is this really true. Don't get me wrong but RM and AO are focused on helping one attain a comprehensive understanding of reality. The emulator is for proving what RM:AO is claiming as far as I am aware. And the rationale as mentioned above in the original post is for giving one the reason to pursue either building an emulator or studying RM:AO as far as I am concerned. Well the rationale is acceptable for this purpose in my eyes at least.

                  Attaining a further knowledge of PHT and such is obviously useful to me given what you know of me.

                  I am both focused on the mind and on reality - typically I work on systems related to the mind, languages and information but what I have learnt is that the emulator is a system related to RM:AO and RM:AO is focused on reality and reality is the flip side and the missing piece of what I do.

                  Systems ARE how I work - how I tick - how I FUNCTION. . . how I [insert here] . . .

                  RM:AO sharpens the tools that I use whether you see that or not at the moment so while I deal with this emulator, I want to learn about MIJOT and PHT and likely some things that I do not know about yet << very important to me . . .

                  A single understanding to me is the essence of all of my goals.
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                    But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
                    - which is to say there is always meaning.

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                    Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                    Postby Anomaly654 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:30 pm

                    ??? I don't understand to what you are referring with that statement. "The amount of affectance" leaving what?

                    Any and all anentropic forms must always have the same amount of affectance entering as leaving (else it wouldn't be anentropic).

                    That's what threw me, the mechanics suggested a constantly sought equilibrium.

                    In the video is pointed out that in multiparticle situations a higher affectance density region forms between or around the particles. Under the heading “Minimum Antentropic Distance is stated, “If particles come too close, anentropic sheltering can no longer function throughout the region. The amount of affectance leaving from the combined particle region becomes greater than the amount entering. Thus they cannot migrate closer.” Have I misunderstood? Just now occurs to me this probably refers to the delay process noted in another video...?

                    "p ^ ~p" ???

                    Sorry, shortened version of Hume's 'no ought from is'. Problem of moral value in factual world or consciousness interacting with material body.
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                    Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                    Postby James S Saint » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:14 pm

                    encode_decode wrote:
                      James

                      I completely understand where you are coming from and your position - I should point out a few things however.

                      James S Saint wrote:Without your emulator, very little will be gained.

                      Is this really true. Don't get me wrong but RM and AO are focused on helping one attain a comprehensive understanding of reality. The emulator is for proving what RM:AO is claiming as far as I am aware. And the rationale as mentioned above in the original post is for giving one the reason to pursue either building an emulator or studying RM:AO as far as I am concerned. Well the rationale is acceptable for this purpose in my eyes at least.

                      Attaining a further knowledge of PHT and such is obviously useful to me given what you know of me.

                      I am both focused on the mind and on reality - typically I work on systems related to the mind, languages and information but what I have learnt is that the emulator is a system related to RM:AO and RM:AO is focused on reality and reality is the flip side and the missing piece of what I do.

                      Systems ARE how I work - how I tick - how I FUNCTION. . . how I [insert here] . . .

                      RM:AO sharpens the tools that I use whether you see that or not at the moment so while I deal with this emulator, I want to learn about MIJOT and PHT and likely some things that I do not know about yet << very important to me . . .

                      A single understanding to me is the essence of all of my goals.

                      Surely it would take less than a second for you to realize that you are not merely your conscious "rationale".

                      No matter how perfectly you come to understand reality on a conscious, cognitive level, that will be only a small portion of your mental make. What good would it do for the Senate to have totally truthful understanding of reality, if the House of Representatives is confused and in conflict? They each have different sources, resources, and interpretations of information about reality.

                      Your mind, and more importantly, your heart, is formed of factions within, "activist groups" who only understand what they see. And they do not see as you see, but with a completely different vantage, perspective, attitude, and realm of concern, sometimes better, sometimes worse. It is from that fundamental make that factions can grow in influence to at times, take over control and cause a sudden shift in personality. The USA is seen by most countries as being schizoid/bipolar, merely because of the constant, at odds, feud between the Republican and Democratic parties (not to mention the very many other demonic allegiances).

                      On the other hand, what is directly experienced, has great significance on all levels depending upon interpretation, which is why you rightfully seek a single "universal understanding". But faction interpretation is tricky. Seeing the universe (even a virtual universe) consistently behave by principles, embeds those principles into the deeper activist psyche. That is how hypnotism works and is why all forms of media are maximizing that effort through loud sounds and sparking visions that hide subtle (unseen by the conscious guard) mental programming commands to the mind of the masses.

                      In short, you must SEE a physical representation of AO functioning before your eyes in order to communicate that universal understanding deeper into the interior in order to mend the bipartisan fractures.
                      Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                      Else
                      From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                      The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                      You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                      The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                      It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                      As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                      Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                      Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                      The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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                      Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                      Postby James S Saint » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:10 pm

                      Anomaly654 wrote:
                      ??? I don't understand to what you are referring with that statement. "The amount of affectance" leaving what?

                      Any and all anentropic forms must always have the same amount of affectance entering as leaving (else it wouldn't be anentropic).

                      That's what threw me, the mechanics suggested a constantly sought equilibrium.

                      The mechanics of Affect-upon-Affect doesn't lean toward an equilibrium, but rather a statistical chaos of extreme highs and lows (mass particles being the extreme high concentrations and space being the low).

                      Anomaly654 wrote:In the video is pointed out that in multiparticle situations a higher affectance density region forms between or around the particles. Under the heading “Minimum Antentropic Distance is stated, “If particles come too close, anentropic sheltering can no longer function throughout the region. The amount of affectance leaving from the combined particle region becomes greater than the amount entering. Thus they cannot migrate closer.” Have I misunderstood? Just now occurs to me this probably refers to the delay process noted in another video...?

                      Yes, the little pulses and waves of affectance, the "afflates", delay each other such as to cause congestion. But the congestion is always dynamic, fluid.

                      If two particles are thrown together, they will come very close, but never actually merge. If they are not thrown too hard, they can "stick" together due to the flow of affectance amid the congestion that is the particles and their ambient lower density surroundings. The video that you mentioned explains why they don't merge even though the gravitational migration would suggest that they should. The bottom line is simply that the physical volume they occupy cannot sustain a stable entering and exiting dynamic if they get too close. This is one of the interesting things that "modern science" seems to never have figured out - the volumetric geometry dictates what physical forms can be stable or unstable.

                      Imagine a single little subatomic stable particle as the only thing in existence. If you envision a hollow sphere encapsulating that particle, the surface of that sphere must, by definition of "stable", have the same amount of affectance passing toward the particle as away from it, "entering and exiting", and at no matter at what radius you choose. Every radius must have an exact balance of entering and exiting.

                      That principle doesn't allow just any form or shape of congestion. For that principle to hold, specific densities must be maintained at every possible radius. That is easy for a single particle due to its symmetry. But when two particles come together, things are not so symmetric any longer. Every possible radius of the union of the particles being stable requires that the particles be at a specific distance from each other. Either too close or too far causes the particles to migrate toward stability (that is commonly referred to as "gravitational mass attraction"). Too far apart and there is more affectance entering than exiting. Too close and there is more affectance exiting than entering. That difference is what causes the particles to eventually settle at a stable point by either conjoining or due to momentum issues, separating completely.

                      But without realizing what is causing this gravitational migration, one is tempted to think that there is nothing to stop the particles from merging into one particle. So they invented the superstition of "Quantum Reality", wherein everything, including all objects, energies, movements, and time must be quantized and without cause or reason ("just because that's the way it is. Don't question it") and only because they couldn't figure out why mass and energy tends to be in relatively stable bundles. The reason was there. They didn't need their quantum magic. But now ego is involved, so rationality is no longer relevant. Quantum Physics is hand-waving mental trickery, conflating statistical observations with ontologically dictated forms of causality. Quantum Mechanics has nothing whatsoever to do with causation, merely statistical correlation.


                      Anomaly654 wrote:
                      "p ^ ~p" ???

                      Sorry, shortened version of Hume's 'no ought from is'. Problem of moral value in factual world or consciousness interacting with material body.

                      Oh, well yes, I will claim that RM:AO resolves those issues entirely. But those are more complex concerns, not at the foundation of Affectance Ontology, rather "emergent complex consequences", yet still fully explainable (unlike Quantum Physics Magic).
                      Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                      Else
                      From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                      The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                      You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                      The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                      It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                      As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                      Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                      Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                      The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
                      .
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                      Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                      Postby encode_decode » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:18 pm

                      James S Saint wrote:Surely it would take less than a second for you to realize that you are not merely your conscious "rationale".

                      I was saying that you need a reason or reasons to do something - for me - anything else will not work.

                      I once had someone try to tell me that I did not need to know WHY I would do something they had asked - all I could think was, what a peculiar thing to say.

                      Now I am confused as to what I said that would indicate that I do not realize that I am more than my conscious rationale.
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                        But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
                        - which is to say there is always meaning.

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                        Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                        Postby James S Saint » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:46 pm

                        encode_decode wrote:
                        James S Saint wrote:Surely it would take less than a second for you to realize that you are not merely your conscious "rationale".

                        I was saying that you need a reason or reasons to do something - for me - anything else will not work.

                        I certainly agree with that, although the reason need not always be consciously deliberated.

                        encode_decode wrote:I once had someone try to tell me that I did not need to know WHY I would do something they had asked - all I could think was, what a peculiar thing to say.

                        It's that feminizing thing - "Don't think. Just do what you feel".
                        :icon-rolleyes:

                        encode_decode wrote:Now I am confused as to what I said that would indicate that I do not realize that I am more than my conscious rationale.
                        encode_decode wrote:Don't get me wrong but RM and AO are focused on helping one attain a comprehensive understanding of reality. The emulator is for proving what RM:AO is claiming as far as I am aware.

                        It isn't merely for proving the claims to your rational mind, but also to the inner demon always keeping your heart divided with doubt. Your emotions and subconscious motivations (the "activist groups" within) are of greater concern (I am sure that you knew that too). I was just pointing out the consequences of not respecting the needs of the rest of your mind/heart. One cannot be rid of the demon within to become whole (aka "holy") without a reason for it to happen. A "demon-striation" is that reason.
                        Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                        Else
                        From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                        The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                        You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                        The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                        It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                        As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                        Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                        Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                        The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
                        .
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                        Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                        Postby encode_decode » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:02 pm

                          When ones heart is set on one set of "things" and then another set of "things" comes along that proves to be just as valuable there can still be conflict.

                          James S Saint wrote:It isn't merely for proving the claims to your rational mind, but also to the inner demon always keeping your heart divided with doubt. Your emotions and subconscious motivations (the "activist groups" within) are of greater concern (I am sure that you knew that too). I was just pointing out the consequences of not respecting the needs of the rest of your mind/heart. One cannot be rid of the demon within to become whole (aka "holy") without a reason for it to happen. A "demon-striation" is that reason.

                          I still think we make a leap of faith . . .

                          The inner demon . . . demons are not a part of my usual parlance but I think I understand what you are saying. What brings about doubt must be fundamentally the same for everybody - not what is going on in the world - not what you say or what I say but a safety mechanism deep down below the conscious. The rest of the mind needs discipline as well as some flexibility to make other choices and freedom for imagination to take place - the conscious mind deals with what comes as it comes and the subconscious mind is trained to do what it does and is affected by daily data anew. The activist groups I imagine are those parts of the mind that help or force one to act and are at times in conflict with other parts of the mind.

                          Ridding oneself of the demon or destructive fixations that occupy each one of us, else is to believe one is without flaw, may lead to something good or maybe something bad, this is echoed in the whole "what is rational is not always good and what is irrational is not always bad device".

                          Reason and alignment seem to have related value here.
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                            It’s not that truth itself is being eroded per se, it’s that fragmental falsification appears to be increasing.
                            (Anomaly654 - 2017)

                            But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
                            - which is to say there is always meaning.

                            (gib - 2017)

                            Mind is an ever changing dimension that is bound to reality, logic and emotion.
                            (Myself - 2017)
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                            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                            Postby James S Saint » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:09 pm

                            Such is the good cause to have a unified under-standing, a foundation for all factions. Communicating it is then the issue to address .. to all factions.

                              "Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce .... Harmony"


                            .. to all factions within.
                            Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
                            Else
                            From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

                            The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

                            You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
                            The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
                            It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
                            As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

                            Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
                            Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

                            The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
                            .
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                            Re: RM:AO - EN:DE

                            Postby encode_decode » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:56 pm

                            I can agree to that.
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                              It’s not that truth itself is being eroded per se, it’s that fragmental falsification appears to be increasing.
                              (Anomaly654 - 2017)

                              But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
                              - which is to say there is always meaning.

                              (gib - 2017)

                              Mind is an ever changing dimension that is bound to reality, logic and emotion.
                              (Myself - 2017)
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