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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:50 pm

these are the works and writings of aristotle

Aristotle divides friendships into three types, based on the motive for forming them: friendships of utility, friendships of pleasure and friendships of the good.

Friendships of utility are relationships formed without regard to the other person at all. Buying merchandise, for example, may require meeting another person but usually needs only a very shallow relationship between the buyer and seller. In modern English, people in such a relationship would not even be called friends, but acquaintances (if they even remembered each other afterwards). The only reason these people are communicating is in order to buy or sell things, which is not a bad thing, but as soon as that motivation is gone, so goes the relationship between the two people unless another motivation is found. Complaints and quarrels generally only arise in this type of friendship.

At the next level, friendships of pleasure are based on pure delight in the company of other people. People who drink together or share a hobby may have such friendships. However, these friends may also part—in this case if they no longer enjoy the shared activity, or can no longer participate in it together.

Friendships of the good are ones where both friends enjoy each other's characters. As long as both friends keep similar characters, the relationship will endure since the motive behind it is care for the friend. This is the highest level of philia, and in modern English might be called true friendship.

"Now it is possible for bad people as well [as good] to be friends to each other for pleasure or utility, for decent people to be friends to base people, and for someone with neither character to be a friend to someone with any character. Clearly, however, only good people can be friends to each other because of the other person himself; for bad people find no enjoyment in one another if they get no benefit." (1157a18–21)

Not all bonds of philia involves reciprocity Aristotle notes. Some examples of these might include love of father to son, elder to younger or ruler to subject. Generally though, the bonds of philia are symmetrical.[4]
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:21 pm

Friendship is a truly wonderful thing but I like being all alone in the world and away from everyone else
Then I can think about spending the rest of eternity in a blissful state of non consciousness soon as I die
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:46 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Friendship is a truly wonderful thing but I like being all alone in the world and away from everyone else
Then I can think about spending the rest of eternity in a blissful state of non consciousness soon as I die


:lol: You're funny though I realize that you are serious.
But wouldn't you be in for a rude awakening if it turns out otherwise?
I would like to be a wisp on the ether to see your reaction. :evilfun:


But how can you be all alone in the world and at the same time be in here with us?
That must affect you at least in some small way, no?
On-line yes but still mentally in some way.

And yes, a real true friendship is truly a wonderful thing.
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: friendship is magic

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:54 am

Whatever is on the other side is entirely beyond my control but I do not let it bother me
I am here because I like ideas but I have nothing to do with anyone else who is also here
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:30 am

Human construction ... biological, physical, spiritual, emotional ... and so on ... requires that we live out our lives in isolation. Friendship is a temporary 'balm' for this very natural condition.
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:36 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Human construction ... biological, physical, spiritual, emotional ... and so on ... requires that we live out our lives in isolation. Friendship is a temporary 'balm' for this very natural condition.

Human constructions would go extinct with isolation.
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:41 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Human construction ... biological, physical, spiritual, emotional ... and so on ... requires that we live out our lives in isolation. Friendship is a temporary 'balm' for this very natural condition.

Human constructions would go extinct with isolation.


Yup ... a trajectory pointed in that direction has evolved in the last century.
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:10 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Whatever is on the other side is entirely beyond my control but I do not let it bother me
I am here because I like ideas but I have nothing to do with anyone else who is also here


Thank you for your honest answer, surreptitious. What you said did give me understanding too.
I'm glad that you are here to share your wisdom and there is wisdom within your words and thoughts.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: friendship is magic

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:50 am

Arc wrote:
I am glad that you are here to share your wisdom and there is wisdom within your words and thoughts

That is very kind of you Arc but I do not think I have a wise bone in my body. For I am not as intelligent as everyone else
here. But since you paid me a complement I feel duty bound to return the favour. So in a forum full of strident egos and
raging testosterone it is nice to find a calming female influence within the madness so long may you continue to be here
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Re: friendship is magic

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:03 pm

surreptitious57

I am glad that you are here to share your wisdom and there is wisdom within your words and thoughts

That is very kind of you Arc but I do not think I have a wise bone in my body. For I am not as intelligent as everyone else

Well, you are certainly entitled to your own perspective but I do see it quite differently. I see you as both wise and intelligent. You also have great patience. I have at times admired that in you - where I do not think that I would be capable of exercising that kind of patience.

But since you paid me a complement I feel duty bound to return the favour. So in a forum full of strident egos and raging testosterone it is nice to find a calming female influence within the madness so long may you continue to be here


Not as calming as you may think. The ocean's surface may at times appear to be calm. :evilfun:
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

Thomas Nagel


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