Why do people have the desire to talk?

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Re: Part 8 - Why do people have the desire to talk?

Postby encode_decode » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:23 am

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    When we do not know the reason why we talk - when we have no reason - there are an infinite amount of possibilities that we could choose from.

    Everyone has there own slightly different reason for their answer to the question: Why do people have the desire to talk?

    To me this fact that everyone has a slightly different reason says that there is no one reason and therefore are an infinite amount of possible reasons why we have the desire to talk. In the last part it was indicated that we are just the infinite speaking to the infinite and the medium that we use to convey our words is finite and usually temporary in nature. Here I want to suggest that communication is everywhere - that talking is not its only means to convey information. Even the smallest organisms communicate. Communication is going on inside our bodies outside of the nervous systems as well as inside.

    That possibly: The infinite is speaking to the infinite and the mediums of communication are each finite and usually temporary in nature.

    However communication in a sense may have been going on for eternity - this is something that to understand it - some people would have to think metaphorically.

    When I say the medium that we use to convey our words; I am meaning many different things - our mouth - pen and paper - the internet - road signs - text books - our brains - music to impart emotion; really there is too much to choose from to list it all here. In a sense you could say that the earth, sun and moon are in communication and I will leave this up to you to ponder - possibly each object in the universe no matter how temporary, may be in communication with every other object. The forever changing evolution of the stars and configuration of the galaxies remind me of the mind and the constant change taking place within. A dimension or domain of potentially infinite imaginings.

    By first understanding our own desires, we can then understand our own individual desire/s to talk. Underneath our ability to talk in the first place is our ability to structure information - it is in this information structure where the "pure question" comes into being. As a being I desire other beings to measure the worth of existence and without other beings, existence would be worthless.

    . . . Perhaps the desire to talk, deep down, is related to the desire to question . . .

    If desire or aspiration was not present to bring you here to post or read that which is correct or incorrect according to you, then what brought you here? Possibly your desire to communicate - to gain meaning and value - to question and to answer - I suggest meaning and value is related to the question and answer.

    Why do you - personally have - the desire to talk?
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      Re: Why do people have the desire to talk?

      Postby encode_decode » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:45 am

      The emotion is "in the world," not in the mind, the psyche, or the soul. (Robert C. Solomon - 1998)
      - Mind is an ever changing dimension that is bound to reality, logic and emotion. (2017) -
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      Re: Why do people have the desire to talk?

      Postby encode_decode » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:22 am

        Why do I have the desire to talk?

        My desire to talk has gone through many different stages. Stages that I am not too certain I can capture that well in this post.

        Therefore I will make this post now and another at a later stage that might be able to capture the essence of this desire more aptly . . .

        My desire to talk now is different to the desire I had to talk when I was a child. I liked to talk to my friends and I liked to listen to them as well.

        I remember when I was a teenager I had a desire to talk to adults but no desire to listen - at the same time I desired to talk to females and just wanted to impress them. As a teenager I had less desire to listen and more desire to talk.

        In my twenties when I was well and truly out in the real world I noticed that people talk about different things, some of which was new and exciting to me - I felt that I was discovering many new things - then as time moved on I became more interested in the mind and what makes people tick.

        Slowly but surely my desire to reach out to people and listen to what they had to say overtook my desire to talk and from that time up until now I have learnt more about people than prior to this transition. These days my desire to talk is more based around getting others to talk. Discovering things about people is exciting to me - reading what people have written on the internet has been exciting for many years now.

        It is likely that our desire to talk can tell us and others a lot about ourselves . . .

        I feel like I am in a new phase of discovery . . . I plan to contemplate how the desire to talk is - when fulfilled - able to restore emotional balance - as well as the desire that men and women have to talk to each other . . . and why there seems to be so many barriers to communication between the sexes.

        . . . Each of us is unique through our own desires . . .

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        Re: Why do people have the desire to talk?

        Postby encode_decode » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:00 am

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          Hi, apologies for the late reply. I have been very busy . . .

          Perhaps you have seen the movie Cast Away. When thinking about the desire to talk this is perhaps a great example all packaged up in a movie . . .
          . . . Wilson the volleyball . . . In the movie, Chuck Noland(Tom Hanks) starts feeling the pressure that can come with loneliness for some people. He creates a personified friend called Wilson out of a volley ball. This movie tells me that we in fact have a strong desire to talk. With no outlet to express this desire to talk, loneliness can consume us.

          Sometimes a new topic for conversation stems in a more subtle manner I have noticed - we start out talking about one thing and next minute you know the conversation has many branches. When I say, in what way do you like to feel connected? I am met with confusion and clarity from your response of: What do you mean by *in what way? To which I initially think, What do you mean by responding with, what do you mean by *in what way? I then laugh it off a little and think - exactly - what a difficult question that we do not always place a consideration for. I myself like to feel intellectually connected to people but a new thing that has come about in my life is to also be connected by the pleasant and comfortable nature of small talk as well - to be able to connect through the power of analogy came to me a few years ago and before that it was more about pragmatism.

          Arcturus Descending wrote:So are you saying that *self* and *ego* are negatives and detrimental?

          Not at all . . . it probably seems that way, the way I put things . . .

          Arcturus Descending wrote:Or are you speaking of those who, for instance, have conversations which ONLY center around their self, needs, desires, world?

          Mostly yes . . . we can not negate looking after number one first . . . because what can we be to others if we are in an unhealthy state ? . .
          Some people just take it a little too far, me thinks . . . lol

          By bouncing topics of conversation off each other we are then able to come to realize our desires - providing we can filter out the noise of an overproduced social reality - in which case meditating on interactions is a useful tool to separate out ourselves from our social interaction. To which you responded:

          Arcturus Descending wrote:This what is done in ILP, right? It's a useful tool to discover our beliefs/perspectives and hopefully how much they are or may not be in line with reality. But I realize that you are speaking of the more personal sense here. I agree with you. I think it can be beneficial to call to mind conversations, any kind of interactions with others. We can get to know who we are by the way in which we relate to others. It also shows what we are *missing* from ourselves.

          This is also what is done in philosophy, right? Very useful tools indeed . . . I discover stuff about me and others and humanity and its nature of conflict as well as my own internal conflict . . . reminds me of philosophy . . . reality? what is that? lol . . . yes I am speaking in a more personal sense - it is nice to know that we agree on something. This relating to one another that people do quickly brings to the surface differences which lead to questions internally and externally like: should we have these differences? who is right in this case? And all sorts of other things. It can highlight what we are missing from ourselves. I for one have found out many things about myself through interacting with other people. Obviously it also helps us to get to know others too.

          Arcturus Descending: "We can't ask the right questions if we do not know what we are *about* just as we cannot ask the right questions, philosophically speaking, in a forum, unless we have an idea of what IS and what we are looking for, to know."

          encode_decode: "We" how ever is not limited to just "oneself" but a group or many groups of people. To feel complete as an individual is what most people are trying to achieve one way or the other. One of my friends once said to me "within each one of us is a little bit of dictator", immediately I laughed but I do see some truth in it - his perception of reality.

          Arcturus Descending: True. I don't recall if I was using the *universal* we or not. But that's true.

          encode_decode: No you were not using the universal, I just wanted to branch the conversation by playing with words a little. I would not do this with everyone but I had a feeling that you would not overlook what I did so I saw no harm and went for it . . . not much gets past you . . . lol

          Arcturus Descending wrote:We desire to be made whole and be in harmony with all things. Many of us do anyway. I can agree with your friend ~ and ~ sometimes we are dictators to our own selves. I think that the more patient we can learn to be with ourselves, the more patient we will tend to be with others - and visa versa.

          I can not argue with what you are saying . . . I find affinity with this. Wholeness to me is about inner harmony . . .

          Arcturus Descending wrote:1. But isn't there also harmony within the choice two people make to *agree to disagree* with graciousness?
          2. But I understand how you are using the word - a form of achieved synergy.

          Hmm, regarding 1, is it harmony? Is harmony an achievable thing in any case? I am not sure, maybe if you give me a few more thoughts on this I might be able to respond better. On the subject of 2, I am saying something like that; I do believe that two or more people benefit to talk and the end result is more than the interaction. But then I think that Chuck Noland achieves this with Wilson too.

          Arcturus Descending wrote:I think that if I were to describe how certain colors make me feel, you would know my sense of qualia toward it. Language allows us to tell others how we feel if we really *feel* it.

          I would not be too certain about this, I have a theory that each of us has our own individual internal language. I think if you are comfortable that you have gotten your point of expression across in a satisfactory manner and you are happy with the resulting response or lack thereof then you have somewhat achieved what you set out to do; communicating your point of expression!

          Hardly ever perfect but optimistically enough . . .

            The simplest words spoken to make us feel connected: You are my friend. I understand. I get where you are coming from. et cetera.
            Never complete but hopefully sufficient.

          Arcturus Descending wrote:Sounds pretty complete and harmonious to me. :angelic-blueglow:
          Sufficient!? Having one Reese's peanut butter cup is sufficient. (well, no, I'm lying here. :evilfun: ) :evilfun: But it shall suffice.

          Yeah . . . it sounds satisfactory to me . . . I am content to "live with it", I have never tried a Reese's peanut butter cup but I will take your word for it.

          Tim Tams usually do it for me with coffee.

          :lol:

          Flow on.
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