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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:31 pm

Lastly, I will give my answer to the OPs question: the Good, in this time, is Donald Trump.



He is self-valuing incarnate.
His value is America, his self-valuing is his path to the presidency and what lies beyond; his self-valuing is the self valuing of the global order in which American predominance is secure but not tyrannical; it can after all as a capitalistic nation not thrive when it has to control too many cultural factors abroad. Trump is now showing the capacities and cultures of every state for what they are. Beyond that there can only be a stable order of the Doric type.

A stable order demands stable laws. And so every arrow, even the tiniest needle in the remotest haystack, is pointing north to their philosophy.

They found it fitting to sign off in the royal plural with the Caesaric third person.

Dracones iam procul sunt.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:31 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Your whole spiel about desire trumping truthfulness is an adaption of one of the basic aspect of VO. Satur has taken it in 2012, you can check. Your apparent not understanding the terms is either pure falsehood or real stupidity, meaning you did take it from the downdumber Satur.


What exactly do you mean when you say "[my] spiel about desire trumping truthfulness"?

I hope you did not misinterpret my words as saying that desire trumps, or that it is better if it trumps, truthfulness.

My point is simply that there is a way of forming descriptions of reality that is based solely on what kind of consequences we desire. That's what I, and that's what others, denote by the word subjectivity.

For example, most of us do not want to imagine that there will be a world war in a couple of years. First, because that's not what we want to happen. And second, because the knowledge of it would rudely motivate us to take some kind of action to prevent it. None of us wants that. But if that's what evidence (i.e. our personal experience which is just a set of our personal observations) suggests, then that's the only thing that we can logically conclude. Unless, of course, we settle for a different kind of "logic", which really is illogic, according to which what's going to happen is what we want to happen (in our example that would mean no third world war in the future.)

I think this irrational way of thinking is something that is an everyday occurrence that is very easy to observe. Within ourselves as well as within others.

If not, then one can come to know about it through all sorts of sources. Long before they discover you and Satyr. For example, they can hear it from Richard Dawkins. Or they can hear it from their professors. Or Wikipedia. The list goes on.

What exactly am I plagiarising?
First, you have to make a meaningful accusation.
Don't just come out with a bunch of vague words that can mean pretty much anything.
And then, you have to prove it.
Don't just declare it.

Vo holds that a entites interpret reality in terms of what is of value to them.


That's neither what I said nor something that is true.

I said it just a few moments ago but I'll say it again.
Some people, it is imaginable, interpret reality in terms of what is of value to them.
Some don't.
Some people, it is imaginable, think that's the best way to interpret reality.
Some don't.

Personally, I don't interpret reality in terms of what is of value to me.
For example, I do not want to die yet I predict that I will die sometime in the future.

Personally, I think that people who do so, who think that what is true is what is of value to them, are morons because they are confusing thinking with desiring, two entirely separate processes. They have thereby lost the ability to think properly.

That you think you dont value means only that you have no convictions to respect, your conscious values are all negative.


Whatever that means.
I am pretty sure it makes you look smart in the eyes of some.
Good job, my friend.

Subconsciously you always shirk up to me and take, bit by bit, from me what you become aware of as power, which is absolute value.


But consciously I think you are severely delusional.

For the skeptics, look at Magnus' posting record. He is like Satur a function of his forbidden admiration for me, and literally all his valid logic is stolen from the one he tries to discredit with it - and this too is clarified by said logic.


What exactly is there to admire in you?
Show off.

It appears to me that you suffer from the pathological need to be admired (i.e. valued.) Look at yourself. You are convinced that people admire you even when there is no evidence for it.

When i leave here, Magnus will survive only as a proponent of a bastardized VO. He has nothing else to say besides that first bit of vo.


Less posturing more thinking please.

This is how The Good seeps into the Earth and how shit is fertile, I suppose.

In 20 years lets see what they are doing.
I can see that number cause dread in their spine.

How I loathe you thieves and forgers. A type of nonentity that tries to clings to existence only through what i give them.

I tried to avoid vo falling in the wrong hands by keeping it on online forums. Its only a difference in degrees of badness, though.

I have been too generous and yet had no choice in the matter. This is what philosophy is: to be hated by the petty for ones capacity to bear great gifts: to be smeared by the ones that gather around to take ones fruits.


Gosh, you posture too much.

It's easy to simply assume you're right and then work within that premise to find the most logical explanation of why others don't agree with you. Anyone can do that.

But how many can make an actual effort to prove the premise i.e. that they are right?

How many?
Jakoff certainly not among them.

edit - Capable: this is what turned out to be our "Academy" -
a bunch of nay sayers desperately clinging to VO to say yes to themselves by saying no to their source... a lot of pain ahead.
Hence, 20 years. We'll have to see.
Im saying bye bye to forums - though not before having defined their horizons for the coming decades - we took this as far as it goes.


Right, so Void is Wyld . . .
Makes perfect sense.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby perpetualburn » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:07 am

Why do you call yourself the "Dorian usurper," Fixed?
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:39 pm

He ran away.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:23 pm

perpetualburn wrote:Why do you call yourself the "Dorian usurper," Fixed?

Read Parodides' posts in this thread and the surrounding context.
http://beforethelight.forumotion.com/t7 ... as-all-law

Example:
Parodites wrote:The complete European [Aryan] was looked for behind the distortion imposed on it by the foreign races- first distorted by the Asians through Plato, then the Jews in Rome, and finally Christianity, by Heidegger and the Nazis. Nietzsche got an intimation of it. Indeed that distortion took place, as I have been talking about recently in the threads on globalism. But Christianity became a necessary dream in which the original intuition by the Doric tribes of pre-Hellenes, the true original soul of Europe, was matured in secrecy: secrecy from itself. But with liberal secular humanism and the two great wars, Christianity has been lost to a rabble of disjointed sects, and to atheism. And the current liberal political schema, with the collapse of Christianity, has taken us into the myth of ideology fully, and the false politics of globalization and statism, which has led to the cultural annihilation of Europe.

So to get back to the original Doric intuition- Being's revelation to dasein in Heidegger's language, one must go through Christianity, rather than behind with something like his de-struktion of historical forms of being and metaphysic, or Nietzsche's transvaluation of values.


I do not know exactly where Islam fits in, but I do not take Islam as the consummation or fulfillment of Judaeo-Christianity. It seems to be a regression into more ancient Judaic forms with some Christian appropriations applied to an imperialistic expansionist theocratic structure that never existed in Judaism itself.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:04 pm

Do·ri·an
ˈdôrēən/
noun
noun: Dorian; plural noun: Dorians

1.
a member of a Hellenic people speaking the Doric dialect of Greek, thought to have entered Greece from the north c. 1100 BC. They settled in Peloponnesus and later colonized Sicily and southern Italy.

adjective
adjective: Dorian

1.
relating to the Dorian people or to Doris in central Greece.


u·surp·er
yo͞oˈsərpər/
noun
noun: usurper; plural noun: usurpers

a person who takes a position of power or importance illegally or by force.
"a usurper of the throne"


It's obvious that his Cross isn't as Fixed as he thought it to be and his understanding of the concepts he wields is far diminished. He calls himself The Dorian Usurper because he believes it possible to refer to himself as Doric, for one; for two because he doesn't understand the politics at the time concerning Greece and whatever he latched onto was some forced perception version and he considers himself, now, within the Universal Mind, a Dorian Usurper based on his lack of knowledge and understanding and perhaps he does have a point to be made in ascertaining that the Doric style at the time was and has been the only one capable of sustainability in the long term, but it's the same point every other culture and path of life and existence is making and so it falls flat. On top of it would be his own ego taking charge and coming into play, again, with his involvement in the current ongoing universal mind; the mass consciousness and his seeking to steal from someone a throne to instill his viewing of a more correct methodology.

In simple terms, he's batshit insane and staging a coup in his own mind and calls it usurping. He has literally stolen his own marbles and considered them lost. In terms of ongoing social lingo of saying it's all just our own self in our own mind, etc., that is; In the way I put it: he's losing his mind and is undergoing the classic psychological effect of having been broken months ago when I posted a response to him in another thread that bypassed all notions of nice and friendly and stabbed clean through to places better left undescribed in death, darkness, etc.; where I even brought him back from nothing and left him on his own two feet and since then he's been unraveling.

Classic because it's comparable to the swordfighting where both fighters seemingly attack each other, one misses entirely somehow and the other cuts clean through the other. Also comparable to the Zantetsuken of Odin with his sword, in conjunction with his Spear, tying him into Wodan, God of the spear in old pagan right opposite Frea the Earth mother. Ties also into Mjollnir and his six-legged horse with a name I forget delivering him both unto Norse and Japanese mythology.

Classic because even that is comparable to the Zeus avatar he holds, a God of Thunder and Lightning, so is Odin upon the wind as death incarnate as Thor holds the hammer he forged for his son; a mastersmith. And this goes on into 5 degrees of existence and reality all the way through christian and catholic values to expose their God as a mastersmith of reality and creation and personality which leads once again to me as it flows through me, master of time and space and eternity and eternal warrior.

Nice and neat little bow-tie; dorian bullshit say what? Synchronizes with exactly what I'm about when it's right? usurpin nothin? a throne already destroyed, they can has it.

-pats fixed cross on the head-

Life never really got easier save by perception, but at least I have enough to keep me busy for countless eternities. Revenge and murder and creation and music and art and shtuff. Drugsh. Oh, and the mixed flavoring of the fixed cross of plato and zeus, etc. creates a really weak blend.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:50 pm

Illiterate scum.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:15 pm

Fucking hell. Ive been called a lot of things, but no one so far was as insolent and plain dumb as to accuse me of resembling Plato in my thinking.


I have never read a post of yours in my life, I just see you come into my thread and start rambling about what you think the Doric order represents from wikipedia....


Take your rambling somewhere else, cow-boy.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:52 pm

Dude, I think you're kind of a good guy, so I can only advice you to not get addicted to the trollish ignorance that you are so comfortably slipping into here. Maybe its too late. Just some warnings:

I am the central object of troll activity, have been since 2013 at the very least, and you are about to join the legion... just don't. Try to get yourself to read my posts before you respond to them, and when you do respond, respond to actual, existing passages, and do so with literal references.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Some Guy in History » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:10 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Dude, I think you're kind of a good guy, so I can only advice you to not get addicted to the trollish ignorance that you are so comfortably slipping into here. Maybe its too late. Just some warnings:

I am the central object of troll activity, have been since 2013 at the very least, and you are about to join the legion... just don't. Try to get yourself to read my posts before you respond to them, and when you do respond, respond to actual, existing passages, and do so with literal references.


The words flowing through you must really grate against the nerves. I have been the central object of troll activity since I was born in 1986 and amplified when I began interacting with others on the internet 16 years ago, back in 2001. I have bested and beaten the Legion. You have had Plato ever in your mannerisms and spiritual channeling since our first interactions here some few years ago when I was still toting the name of Idiotic Idioms. In fact, the Plato screamed out so much that I thought your avatar was a caricature of him instead of Zeus. I found that out when I actually did an image search to verify what I was saying to you was accurate a while back; about the time I called Zeus a pedophile and into fucking animals.

If you think me to be trolling, then don't. I am trolling, but unintentionally to the beat of some other larger beings game of insecurity and their need for control. I've been trolling enemies of reality for quite some time and bearing up under it until the end of my days. And, for claiming not to read a single post of mine, you sure seem to be confident that I'm comfortably slipping into trollish ignorance. I could almost swear it's contradiction city up in every place when the true trolls start rolling through.

The interesting part of it is that to even use the term Doric as you used it and even I used it is improper. Doric would refer to dialect, not to belonging to the people, which would be Dorian. Doric would refer to the inanimate unless I'm wrong, which I've always and often been open to. I knew this in the moments I was using it as I was using it and it was background knowledge that I'm now applying. Doris seems to be the possibility of a town or city, being related to the center of Greece. I'm going to look that up real quick, a ctrl+t and google search later...

Doris (Greek: ἡ Δωρίς: Eth. Δωριεύς, pl. Δωριῆς, Δωριεῖς; Latin: Dores, Dorienses), is a small mountainous district in ancient Greece, bounded by Aetolia, southern Thessaly, the Ozolian Locrians, and Phocis; the original homeland of the Dorian Greeks.


A district, relating to Dorian...

The Dorians (/ˈdɔːriənz, ˈdɔər-/; Greek: Δωριεῖς, Dōrieis, singular Δωριεύς, Dōrieus) were one of the four major ethnic groups among which the Hellenes (or Greeks) of Classical Greece considered themselves divided (along with the Aeolians, Achaeans, and Ionians).[2] They are almost always referred to as just "the Dorians", as they are called in the earliest literary mention of them in the Odyssey,[3] where they already can be found inhabiting the island of Crete.


Sounds like early racism, to me. Classism. Caste system.

It should be noted that the Dorian also is similar to Delorean, the type of car used for time travel in Back to the Future and Dorian is a term also tying into Doctor Who somehow, though I'm not sure, which also deals with time travel and alternate realities and a number of other spacial anomalies and supernatural and paranormal activities.

But, you know... you might be right about me being illiterate. I'm so illiterate I notice the ties that bind and I'm not even related to a Dorian Supremacy or Usurping, though I also don't know my own genetic or races roots. Almost full blood German, American, Caucasian; Human. I don't care to know. What can be known that can actually sum it all up enough in terms that I actually care about? Nothing.

I do know that I'm being locked out of my own reality; that the surface of it, what I call the Omnireality, and many other parts of it, have been destroyed and taken over and controlled by another claiming to be me or higher than me. I know I'm getting the shaft and being seen to the door. And I have been labeled as a far worse criminal as others fear the might and power of that being. For the things that I have destroyed in the process of setting it all to right for the neuroticisms and insecurities and fears of the being and a lot of others around me, wanting still to experience enough of life around me until I'm seen to the exit. A vast need for control, an insecurity as it fears a power greater than its own and seeks to destroy it, for it knows it to be me. Come see me, if you ever get the chance, if you actually feel yourself to be a Dorian Usurper; because that label does put you in the arms of my enemies that seek to kill me.

But, you think I'm a good guy. Kind of. That's sweet. I love hearing my deeds come out of the mouths of others around me and sound so hollow for them to be claiming them. That last sentence was sarcasm. It just doesn't bother me as much as some things would want it to. Did I mention you and yours were quite the mess of psychological issues for which there aren't enough tissues?

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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:30 pm

You are danker than a pack of smoked cigarettes.

Why would I want to convince you? You'll just end up trolling my threads with more beautiful pictures of pills and victims.

Obviously my name refers to the Doric order. I have assumed most people here know what that is.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:31 pm

The GOOD IS NOT YOU, Fixed Balls.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:32 pm

WendyDarling wrote:The GOOD IS NOT YOU, Fixed Balls.

I don't like you, turdslimethread.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:39 pm

:lol: You're still a bad, sad person! :lol:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:57 pm

The saddest thing in my life, by very, very far, is your infatuation with me, and the way you handle that.
You could also just opt for staying out of my threads, slimey (a pun on your use of smileys)
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:02 pm

Count my trolls bitches.

Even the dude that says he has had armies of trolls since birth is now my troll.

I got young trolls, old trolls, fat trolls and skinny trolls, i got girl trolls and crone trolls, i got dudes and grandpas trolling me, and godfather is lurking.

Thank you all. Youre welcome.
keep it coming, assholes.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:08 pm

lol
Well, we have certainly established here what some of the GOOD is NOT.
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What is The Good?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:13 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:The saddest thing in my life, by very, very far, is your infatuation with me, and the way you handle that.
You could also just opt for staying out of my threads, slimey (a pun on your use of smileys)

At one time, you did write beautifully and I mistakenly thought you had a brain, but no more. Now you are simply a sock puppet joke who needs psych. meds rather than street drugs.

Stop using my name and fuck off into the oblivion you crept out of. I chose Joker, not a whiny bitch like you, never you,
understand, 'Lil lady?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:33 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Count my trolls bitches.

Even the dude that says he has had armies of trolls since birth is now my troll.

I got young trolls, old trolls, fat trolls and skinny trolls, i got girl trolls and crone trolls, i got dudes and grandpas trolling me, and godfather is lurking.

Thank you all. Youre welcome.
keep it coming, assholes.


Jakob,

Didn't someone in here mention that you are going to be a father?

If that is true, my congratulations to you and her.
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Some Guy in History » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:06 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Count my trolls bitches.

Even the dude that says he has had armies of trolls since birth is now my troll.

I got young trolls, old trolls, fat trolls and skinny trolls, i got girl trolls and crone trolls, i got dudes and grandpas trolling me, and godfather is lurking.

Thank you all. Youre welcome.
keep it coming, assholes.


My Jihad brings all the girls to the yard; damn right it's better than yours; damn right it's better than yours... And they're all like 'allah akbar! allah akbar! allah akbar!'
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:25 pm

My Jihad brings all the girls to the yard; damn right it's better than yours; damn right it's better than yours... And they're all like 'allah akbar! allah akbar! allah akbar!'

:lol:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:54 pm

Good is this day.

Sorry for anyone who feels shitty in my presence and still has the urge to come seek me out. I will spare myself any further interactions with you, as I assure you I take as little joy in you as I would in witnessing some worms navigate some mud.

And that is precisely how it is - my trolls on ILP are simply worms, ploughing away their lives making small paths through the mass accumulated by greater forces (we, the Philosophers) so as to unwittingly carry some seeds and minerals hither and thither...

A good day to you too, worms. Enjoy ploughing through my work.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:02 pm

Oh, Duder, skater, surfer, DMT-houd, duderino,
The fact that you can't discern Platos head from Zeus' head is... amazing, and as a fact, enough standing by itself to illustrate your whole gigantic cosmic ignorance of culture, and by extension, the entire nihilist degeneracy of the West.

You are... the man, for your time and place.

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The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:34 pm

Eventually all Dudebros grow up:
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Eventually all Brat Princes become rightful rulers and Kings in their own right.
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A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. A man does not die of love or his liver or even of old age; he dies of being a man. Death is a distant rumor to the young. Life is eternal, and love is immortal, and death is only a horizon; and a horizon is nothing save the limit of our sight.
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Re: What is The Good?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:38 pm

I see you relate to what I offered you.

Good.
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