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Postby eaglerising » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:54 am

I ask this question because your reason or motive for doing anything is the key or determining factor in obtaining or achieving what you desire. It defines everything associated with your objective, as well as what will hinder or prevent you from achieving your objective. Understanding this principle is different from believing or disbelieving it.

Whether you realize it or not, life is governed by immutable laws. You are either in accord with them or opposing them. Life is more enjoyable and rewarding when you are in harmony with them. On the other hand, the more you oppose them, the more pain, conflict, and sorrow you experience. Consequently, your reason or motive for doing anything defines the quality of your life. Believing or disbelieving are not involved when you experience this reality because you will understand it.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:44 am

Upon seeing there is interest in this post, I decided to add the following to it.
Determining the reason for doing anything requires you to be brutally honest with yourself. I say that because we have a propensity to rationalize and justify our actions or what we do. It also requires comparing your reason against you “values” and “ethics” to see if your reason is in accord with them.

Determining why you do something is NOT easy. More often than not you see how you have fooled yourself, justified your actions, or discover something you don’t like about yourself. So, why bother doing it? It helps you to better understand your motives, values, and behavior. All of which allows you understand yourself and improve the quality of your life.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:26 am

eaglerising wrote:Upon seeing there is interest in this post, I decided to add the following to it.
Determining the reason for doing anything requires you to be brutally honest with yourself. I say that because we have a propensity to rationalize and justify our actions or what we do. It also requires comparing your reason against you “values” and “ethics” to see if your reason is in accord with them.

Determining why you do something is NOT easy. More often than not you see how you have fooled yourself, justified your actions, or discover something you don’t like about yourself. So, why bother doing it? It helps you to better understand your motives, values, and behavior. All of which allows you understand yourself and improve the quality of your life.


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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:13 am

eaglerising wrote:I ask this question because your reason or motive for doing anything is the key or determining factor in obtaining or achieving what you desire. It defines everything associated with your objective, as well as what will hinder or prevent you from achieving your objective. Understanding this principle is different from believing or disbelieving it.

Whether you realize it or not, life is governed by immutable laws. You are either in accord with them or opposing them. Life is more enjoyable and rewarding when you are in harmony with them. On the other hand, the more you oppose them, the more pain, conflict, and sorrow you experience. Consequently, your reason or motive for doing anything defines the quality of your life. Believing or disbelieving are not involved when you experience this reality because you will understand it.


What are life's immutable laws as opposed to your own? I think authenticity goes a long way in supporting motivations.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:28 am

eaglerising wrote:I ask this question because your reason or motive for doing anything is the key or determining factor in obtaining or achieving what you desire. It defines everything associated with your objective, as well as what will hinder or prevent you from achieving your objective. Understanding this principle is different from believing or disbelieving it.

Whether you realize it or not, life is governed by immutable laws. You are either in accord with them or opposing them. Life is more enjoyable and rewarding when you are in harmony with them. On the other hand, the more you oppose them, the more pain, conflict, and sorrow you experience. Consequently, your reason or motive for doing anything defines the quality of your life. Believing or disbelieving are not involved when you experience this reality because you will understand it.

Admirably profound. Although I am wondering to where such a question leads.

There are basically two kinds of "why are you"s, and often three. There is the conscious rationale, often merely an unconscious ploy and there is the subconscious drive. It's great when the two of those get together, but trying to determine if that is truly happening within oneself is usually an unsurmountable task.

I find that most people, and too often myself included, have much too much division and scattering of incentives and drives, after all, the "Me Generation" is still underfoot tugging at every thread of want, desire, threat, and hope.

I like to think that I am following my rationale as much as possible, although I am well aware of my frailties. That rationale, after a great deal of philosophizing and stragizing has become what I now call MIJOT; "Maximize the Integral of Joy Over Time".

That is to say that considering all that my little brain can handle at any one moment, my incentive is to arrange for as much upcoming joy for the longest period of time as possible, requiring both survival and wisdom of heart. Balancing both incentives of survival and joy into an anentropic harmony can be very tricky. But to not try is to die. So what else is there to do.

As I was reminded of very recently:
A Contemporary Philosophy

Tethered by reality;
    There is the ongoing cause of all that is.
    There is the order and chaos brought about by that cause.
    There is the adversary to every life.
    And there is you.. an instance of life.
The rest is just noise

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Amongst all the noise there are many entities great and small, all vying for attention and ultimate influence – “God wannabes”. Some are mindless formations propagating through their circumstances. Some are forms of life, temporarily struggling to survive, not really knowing why and certainly not how, but merely presuming a purpose, need, and desire. Most all merely adding their bit to the noise.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:05 am

James S Saint – You post confirms what I said in mine:
determining your reason for doing it is NOT easy.
More often than not, doing the right thing can be very difficult such as standing up for your values regardless of the consequences. Furthermore, we don't want to do what we need to do to achieve our objective. Instead, we want a quick fix or a shortcut because we don't understand that resistance develops potential, just as resistance develops muscle in the body.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby phyllo » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:35 pm

Whether you realize it or not, life is governed by immutable laws.
Can you state some of them?
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:41 pm

WindyDarling –
What are life's immutable laws as opposed to your own? I think authenticity goes a long way in supporting motivations.


An immutable law is “absolute” for it cannot be broken, altered, or changed. The first three laws define the parameters of the expression “free will.”

Law Measurable Time and Space
Law of Attraction
Law of Birth and Rebirth (reincarnation)

The fourth law is pivotal for it balances the effects of free-will upon your predisposition.

The Law Everything is Mutual – Nothing in life is singular, everything exists because of its relationship to something else.

The last three laws apply to the expression of your predisposition.

The Law of Action and Reaction – Also known as the Law of Cause-and-Effect.
The Law Everything Serves a Purpose – This law allows you to see labels such as “chance”, “accident” and “coincidence” are illusions created by thought.
The Law As above, So Below/As Below, So Above – This law means the physical world is a mirror of the non-physical and vice versa.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:11 pm

eaglerising wrote:WindyDarling –
What are life's immutable laws as opposed to your own? I think authenticity goes a long way in supporting motivations.


An immutable law is “absolute” for it cannot be broken, altered, or changed. The first three laws define the parameters of the expression “free will.”

Law Measurable Time and Space
Law of Attraction
Law of Birth and Rebirth (reincarnation)

The fourth law is pivotal for it balances the effects of free-will upon your predisposition.

The Law Everything is Mutual – Nothing in life is singular, everything exists because of its relationship to something else.

The last three laws apply to the expression of your predisposition.

The Law of Action and Reaction – Also known as the Law of Cause-and-Effect.
The Law Everything Serves a Purpose – This law allows you to see labels such as “chance”, “accident” and “coincidence” are illusions created by thought.
The Law As above, So Below/As Below, So Above – This law means the physical world is a mirror of the non-physical and vice versa.

Fascinating.

But could you elaborate on each rather than merely name, such as "Law of Attraction" .. meaning what exactly?

    1. Law of Measurable Time and Space - meaning what?
    2. Law of Attraction - meaning what?
    3. Law of Birth and Rebirth - details?
    4. Law of Mutual dependency - explained.
    5. Law of Causation - explained
    6. Law of Purpose - now that one needs some substantial support. 8)
    7. Law of Above and Below - also in serious need of support.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby Along The Way » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:14 pm

I ask myself this question all of the time, since I presume that my conscious mind is more or less a rationalizing machine rather than some neutral seeker of truth.

I wonder why I hold the beliefs I hold. How much of them are driven by the desire for "truth" and how much by psychological necessity?

As an example, I don't believe in hard determinism. I used to, but my life was absolute hell when I did. So I changed my views, but I still didn't know how I could not believe in hard determinism given the information I had.

So I changed the information. I just said "well, there is no evidence that there is any "The Beginning" or that there will be any "The End". I created a metaphysics in which causation happens in the timeless dimension of now. Thus, whatever aspect of me is not caught up in the world of form/time is free.

I don't know that I even believe what I just wrote, but I act as if I do, because I act as if I have free will. Over time this has led into a conflict between how much emphasis I should put on theoretical truth versus pragmatic utility. Nietzsche often talked about how we need lies and illusions in order to exist. Maybe it's just a matter of picking the most useful illusions. Maybe that is more important to my well being than seeking objective (or theoretical) "truth".

I don't know. Sometimes when I smoke weed I am able to see not just what I'm doing but am also able to feel why I'm doing it. Often times I realize that I'm doing what I'm doing because it feels safe and secure, or because it makes me feel good about myself, or because it's just habit. I'll notice that my "beliefs" have no real solid foundation, that I believe what I believe mostly because that's what my culture believes. An example is anything scientific. I don't have a sufficient enough understanding about science to be able to read the literature on the earth being around and confirm it. I believe it is round because my culture says so. Now it may very well be true that the earth is round, but the point is that my motive for believing it is round is based not on my own knowledge, but on seemingly blind faith in whatever most scientists happen to think.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:26 am

James S Sint –
But could you elaborate on each rather than merely name, such as "Law of Attraction" .. meaning what exactly?


I could, but I won't for several reasons. There is plenty of information about them. In fact, several books have been written about the Law of Attraction. I am not going to elaborate because it's your responsibility to educate yourself on what you want to know.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:13 am

eaglerising wrote:James S Sint –
But could you elaborate on each rather than merely name, such as "Law of Attraction" .. meaning what exactly?


I could, but I won't for several reasons. There is plenty of information about them. In fact, several books have been written about the Law of Attraction. I am not going to elaborate because it's your responsibility to educate yourself on what you want to know.

When I want to know what a man is thinking when he is writing a post, I ask the man. That is how I educate myself. When he can't explain himself, I just take it that he didn't really know what he meant.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:16 am

Along The Way wrote:I ask myself this question all of the time, since I presume that my conscious mind is more or less a rationalizing machine rather than some neutral seeker of truth.

I wonder why I hold the beliefs I hold. How much of them are driven by the desire for "truth" and how much by psychological necessity?

As an example, I don't believe in hard determinism. I used to, but my life was absolute hell when I did. So I changed my views, but I still didn't know how I could not believe in hard determinism given the information I had.

So I changed the information. I just said "well, there is no evidence that there is any "The Beginning" or that there will be any "The End". I created a metaphysics in which causation happens in the timeless dimension of now. Thus, whatever aspect of me is not caught up in the world of form/time is free.

I don't know that I even believe what I just wrote, but I act as if I do, because I act as if I have free will. Over time this has led into a conflict between how much emphasis I should put on theoretical truth versus pragmatic utility. Nietzsche often talked about how we need lies and illusions in order to exist. Maybe it's just a matter of picking the most useful illusions. Maybe that is more important to my well being than seeking objective (or theoretical) "truth".

I don't know. Sometimes when I smoke weed I am able to see not just what I'm doing but am also able to feel why I'm doing it. Often times I realize that I'm doing what I'm doing because it feels safe and secure, or because it makes me feel good about myself, or because it's just habit. I'll notice that my "beliefs" have no real solid foundation, that I believe what I believe mostly because that's what my culture believes. An example is anything scientific. I don't have a sufficient enough understanding about science to be able to read the literature on the earth being around and confirm it. I believe it is round because my culture says so. Now it may very well be true that the earth is round, but the point is that my motive for believing it is round is based not on my own knowledge, but on seemingly blind faith in whatever most scientists happen to think.


Your comments suggests you have made considerable progress ... Along The Way

Drinking from the "Fountain of Spirit" can make one's life bitter for a very long time.

How so?

Purgation and catharsis ... gold is purified with fire.

... and not your own ... rather the community of souls whose burden you carry ... your spirit family. Knowing the members of your spirit family is irrelevant ... and would likely only serve to impede your progress.

Your spirit family long enjoyed the sweet taste from the "Fountain of Pleasure" usually empowered by money ... and as a necessary consequence disdained the Fountain of Spirit.

The weight of the burden you carry ... the bitterness in your life ... is mathematically related to the number of souls in your spirit family.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:21 am

James S Saint –
When I want to know what a man is thinking when he is writing a post, I ask the man. That is how I educate myself. When he can't explain himself, I just take it that he didn't really know what he meant.


No, you are seeking information rather than understanding. Information can be transferred from one person to another, understanding cannot. It is gained through experience. Thought seeks information. It is unaware of what seeks understanding because it lies beyond thought's reach. Thought doesn't realize it cannot understand anything. What thought calls "understanding" is really knowledge. Understanding is the negation of knowledge. Therefore, neither I nor anyone else can provide you with understanding.

A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby Leyla » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:13 am

eaglerising wrote:A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.

I would say that a responsible person doesn't present something as an immutable law, which is merely a presumption, without any scientific foundation. (What is your reason for doing it?)

There is no "Law" of attraction. All there is, is a pseudoscientific belief, that each thought or emotion produces a vibe, which attracts similar thoughts and emotions. It is merely a presumption of some new age "philosophers" (or lifestyle-consultants) and certainly no "absolute", which cannot be changed or broken, but merely an attempt to make the "victims" responsible for all bad things which happen to them.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:48 pm

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If I don't see them, then they don't see me.
Every infant child knows this.
It's just something we forget as we grow older.

But then again every infant child knows that if it screams, people gonna scream back at it.
Well, that's different then.

Hmm, actually, not really. The child thinks - "I need something.", and Wham! , the wish gets fulfilled, most of the time.
So there might actually be something to this law of attraction.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby phyllo » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:42 pm

At least for some of the 'laws', one can say that they can be derived from life-experience. But these :
Law of Birth and Rebirth (reincarnation)
Hardly an immutable law. There is no evidence for it (or any afterlife).
The Law As above, So Below/As Below, So Above – This law means the physical world is a mirror of the non-physical and vice versa.
"Above" is fairly inaccessible to scrutiny. How do people know so much about it?
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:15 pm

Phyllo –
At least for some of the 'laws', one can say that they can be derived from life-experience. But these :
Law of Birth and Rebirth (reincarnation)
Hardly an immutable law. There is no evidence for it (or any afterlife).


If proof to you is what you have personally experienced, how do you prove to someone what you have experienced which they haven’t? Does the inability to prove what you experience make it invalid?

You are correct in the fact there is no physical evidence proving reincarnation. Likewise, there is no evidence proving reincarnation doesn’t exist. Therefore, it’s a possibility.

If reincarnation doesn’t exist, how to you explain evolution?

Phyllo –
The Law As above, So Below/As Below, So Above – This law means the physical world is a mirror of the non-physical and vice versa?
"Above" is fairly inaccessible to scrutiny. How do people know so much about it?


I don’t understand your question. If room A and B mirror each other, doesn’t everything you know about room A apply to room B and vice versa?
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby phyllo » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:32 pm

If proof to you is what you have personally experienced, how do you prove to someone what you have experienced which they haven’t?
One does not need personal experience to believe that something is adequately proven. I have not personally died, yet I believe that others have and that I will.
Does the inability to prove what you experience make it invalid?
It makes it less likely than something which has been proven. And perhaps it's very unlikely.
If reincarnation doesn’t exist, how to you explain evolution?
Evolution does not rely on reincarnation. Why would it?
I don’t understand your question. If room A and B mirror each other, doesn’t everything you know about room A apply to room B and vice versa?
You live in room A so you know something about it. How do you know that room B mirrors room A if you have not been in room B and examined it in the same detail that you examined room A? How did you get knowledge of the interior of room B?
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:04 pm

eaglerising wrote:
A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.

Leyia –
I would say that a responsible person doesn't present something as an immutable law, which is merely a presumption, without any scientific foundation. (What is your reason for doing it?)

I answered a question that I was asked, like I am doing now. You can view what I posted as an unknown or possibility. Or you can conclude it is either being true or false.

I am not concerned about proof. It’s why I neither request it or provide it. The responsibility of proofing something lies with the person who requests it. Whether you see me as being irresponsible or responsible doesn’t alter who or what I am.

Leyia –
There is no "Law" of attraction. All there is, is a pseudoscientific belief, that each thought or emotion produces a vibe, which attracts similar thoughts and emotions. It is merely a presumption of some new age "philosophers" (or lifestyle-consultants) and certainly no "absolute", which cannot be changed or broken, but merely an attempt to make the "victims" responsible for all bad things which happen to them.


Finally, you can choose to think, know, or believe whatever you want. That’s your responsibility, not mine.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:26 pm

eaglerising wrote:
A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.


You did not realize though that they deem you responsible to suspend their disbelief, in other words, to qualify via scientific evidence that they would not waste their time in being self-educated? You must take the risks and do their thinking for them. You must do their investigations for them, them's modern ways. :wink:

Curious, why did you leave out the law of manifestation? I've always considered them completely separate for attraction draws what exists and manifestation creates what doesn't.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby eaglerising » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:55 am

WendyDarling –
Curious, why did you leave out the law of manifestation? I've always considered them completely separate for attraction draws what exists and manifestation creates what doesn't.


Did I leave it out or is it contained within the understanding of the 7 laws I provided?

Your question helped me see something I hadn't previously considered. If the past, present, and future are all one, then what we perceive as "manifestation" might be our awareness of something we were previously unaware of. In other words, everything already exists, we simply are unaware of it. Another mind boggling thing to investigate, that I hadn't planned on.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby phyllo » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:18 am

eaglerising wrote:
A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.



You did not realize though that they deem you responsible to suspend their disbelief, in other words, to qualify via scientific evidence that they would not waste their time in being self-educated? You must take the risks and do their thinking for them. You must do their investigations for them, them's modern ways. :wink:
That's actually a pretty arrogant attitude. It assumes that you have the true correct knowledge and understanding.

Perhaps the person asking is more educated and/or self-educated than you. Perhaps the asking indicates open-mindedness or a desire to have a discussion on a discussion forum.

Or perhaps the person really is ignorant but wants to benefit from your superior knowledge and understanding, and by asking hopes to avoid unnecessary errors.
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Re: What is Your Reason for Doing It?

Postby encode_decode » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:46 am

eaglerising

► Everything known was once unknown.

► Everything there is still to know already exists, it is just undiscovered, un-evolved an un-configured.

► Everything can be expressed as information.

► Discovery is just the unknown configured into formation.

► Inception is formation.

► Unknown in-formation is known.

This also means for false information.

WendyDarling wrote:
eaglerising wrote:
A responsible person educates him or herself and doesn't ask another to do it.


You did not realize though that they deem you responsible to suspend their disbelief, in other words, to qualify via scientific evidence that they would not waste their time in being self-educated? You must take the risks and do their thinking for them. You must do their investigations for them, them's modern ways. :wink:

Curious, why did you leave out the law of manifestation? I've always considered them completely separate for attraction draws what exists and manifestation creates what doesn't.

I agree with WendyDarling here - I will put it another way >> A responsible person asks questions of the person who makes a/the claim/s. When the "asker" suspends their belief -> they have already exercised their side of the deal responsibly -- equality comes about when you(the "askee") exercise the other side of the equation of responsiblity - which would be to answer responsibly from your own head/heart -> possibly leading to a satisfactorily responsible answer. It seems at the moment you are passing snippets of information on rather than thinking up an answer of your own.

► Everything known was once unknown - this is also a possible answer to the mirror suggestion ie. unknown/known but that would depend upon what mirror each given entity is standing in front of.

I was taught in another thread of a principle about "essential" that I can now apply to information - there is only one mirror of truth the further you get away from it the less truthful the mirrors in the hall of mirrors become.

The seeker of truth does not always attract the "logic of the truth". The seeker of truth sometimes attracts "willing for belief" instead. A limitation of the seekers mind.

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