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Re: Reality - Version 0.0

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 29, 2017 4:07 am

encode_decode wrote:What initiates the original change(affectance)? Surely it must have always been there.

Yes. Affectance has always existed and always must exist .. everywhere. There can be no absolute void anywhere .. ever. It is a mathematical impossibility.
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Re: Reality - Version 0.0

Postby encode_decode » Mon May 29, 2017 4:18 am

James S Saint

James S Saint wrote:
encode_decode wrote:What initiates the original change(affectance)? Surely it must have always been there.

Yes. Affectance has always existed and always must exist .. everywhere. There can be no absolute void anywhere .. ever. It is a mathematical impossibility.

I totally agree with you on this - the problem I face is both sides of the coin. How does one go about proving no absolute void? How does one go about proving such a void?

Would it not be important to understand how the both cancel each other out? That understanding would lend credence to such a scenario of something always being there.

:D

@ James: An opinion at this point would even be welcome.
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    Re: Reality - Version 0.0

    Postby James S Saint » Mon May 29, 2017 4:57 am

    James S Saint wrote:Since this subject keeps coming up, I thought that I would polish this post up a bit to include the whole real number system and put it in its own thread.


    Okay, now given that you have 10 cups with the random possibility of each cup having as many as 10 coins in it, what is the possibility that you have the same number of coins in all 10 cups?

    Mathematically that would be (1/10)^10 or 0.0000000001.

    The state of nothingness and the state of absolute homogeneity are actually the same thing. If there is no distinction in affect at all in every point in space, there is no universe. Thus for a universe to exist, there must be distinction or variation in affect between the points in space. What is the possibility that every point in space is of the exact same value of PtA (potential-to-affect)?

    Well, let's define the term as the specific infinite series,
    infA ≡ [1+1+1+...]

    Just a single infinite line would give us infA^2 points on that line if you want to include all infinitesimal lengths, all "real numbers". And assuming nothing is forcing any particular PtA value, each point on the line might have a value anywhere from infinitesimal to infinite, the range of that same infA^2 but for PtA.

    So the possibility for every point on the line to have the same PtA value (given steps of 1 infinitesimal) would be;
    Possibility of homogeneous line = (1/infA)^((infA)^2).

    That is 1 infinitesimal reduced by itself infinitely an infinite number of times. And right there is the issue. Also in 3D space, you actually have the infinite real-number cube (to simplify from spherical) of;
    Possibility of homogeneous space = (1/infA)^(infA^6)

    Normally in mathematics if your number has reached 1 infinitesimal, it is accepted as zero and is certainly close enough to zero for all practical purposes but we are literally infinitely less than infinity less than 1 infinitesimal. For 3D space, we are looking at 1 infinitesimal times itself infinitely an infinite number of times, infinitely times an infinite number more times, and infinitely times an infinite number more times.

    Given an infinite amount of time (an infinite timeline, another infA^2 of points in time) and with or without causality, the possibility of running across homogeneity of space is;
    Possibility of homogeneity through all space = infA * (1/infA)^(infA^6)
    Possibility of homogeneity through all time = (1/infA)^(infA^12)

    With a possibility being that degree of infinitely small, not only can it never randomly end up homogeneous even through an infinite number of trials (an infinite time line, never getting up to even 1 infinitesimal possibility), but it can't even be forced to be homogeneous. A force is an affect. If all affects are identical, the total affect is zero. What would be left in existence to force all points to be infinitely identical?


    But if that isn't good enough for you, realize that those calculations are based on stepped values of merely 1 infinitesimal using a standard of infA. In reality, each step would be as close to absolute zero as possible without actually being absolute zero using a standard of as close to absolute infinity as possible,
    AbsInf ≡ highest possible number toward absolute infinity.

    And then of course,
    1/AbsInf = would be the lowest possible number or value.

    Thus we have,
    Possibility of homogeneity through all time = (1/AbsInf)^(Absinf^12)

    Now we have truly absolute zero possibility because if we are already as close to absolute zero as possible with "1/AbsInf", as soon as we multiply that by any fraction, we have breached absolute zero, impossibly small. And we have breached absolute zero by a factor of AbsInf^12 ... well, well beyond absolute zero possibility of homogeneity.

    Thus Absolute Homogeneity, "Nothingness", is absolutely impossible.
    Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
    Else
    From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

    The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

    You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
    The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
    It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
    As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

    Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
    Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

    The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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    Re: Reality - Version 0.0

    Postby encode_decode » Mon May 29, 2017 9:58 pm

    James

    I will keep this short and imprecise. You should still be able to catch my gist. You could say it is compressed delta encoding.

      ∴ Reality - Version 0.0 is impossible.

      There can only be Reality - Version 0.000...0001 ∨ PtA.

      The number of zeros is arbitrary.

    because Absolute Homogeneity is impossible as you have proven in your previous post.

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      Re: Reality - Version 0.0

      Postby eaglerising » Tue May 30, 2017 12:56 am

      encode_decode stated:
      First there is nothing - secondly inside this nothing there is infinity - it is infinity that fills the void of nothing.


      Other than in mathematics, how do you know for sure nothing exists? Even some particle physicist such as P. Higgs will disagree with you. What used to be considered as a vacuum no longer exists. The term "vacuum" has an entirely different definition today. "Consciousness" is everywhere. Surely consciousness is something rather than nothing.

      It is impossible for the human mind to comprehend infinity or something that has always existed, doesn't end or have a beginning. The same applies to consciousness.

      This indicates or suggests you are playing intellectual gymnastics rather than tying to understand something.
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      Re: Reality - Version 0.0

      Postby encode_decode » Tue May 30, 2017 9:34 am

      eaglerising

      First of all let me say: Welcome to the forum.

      eaglerising wrote:encode_decode stated:
      First there is nothing - secondly inside this nothing there is infinity - it is infinity that fills the void of nothing.


      Other than in mathematics, how do you know for sure nothing exists? Even some particle physicist such as P. Higgs will disagree with you. What used to be considered as a vacuum no longer exists. The term "vacuum" has an entirely different definition today. "Consciousness" is everywhere. Surely consciousness is something rather than nothing.

      It is impossible for the human mind to comprehend infinity or something that has always existed, doesn't end or have a beginning. The same applies to consciousness.

      This indicates or suggests you are playing intellectual gymnastics rather than tying to understand something.


      Intellectual Gymnastics

      It would seem so . . . Tell me though, how does a new philosophy come into being? More precisely, how did the first philosophy come into being? The human mind has a hard time comprehending zero too. So does the mathematics exist for a good proof of infinity? Since mathematics can describe nothing. I think it would be just as difficult for the human mind to comprehend what has never existed along with what has always existed. So many interesting questions could be asked.

      If necessity is the mother of invention - why are there so many unnecessary things, thoughts ... et cetera?

      Is not gymnastics more healthy than sitting around?

      Look what part of the legacy of P. Higgs will be. What exactly are we going to use the Higgs boson for? I am sure the proposals will be "interesting".

      I have stated: ∴ Reality - Version 0.0 is impossible - because Absolute Homogeneity is impossible as James has proven in his previous post. I understand something because I had no understanding of something - someone came along and explained something that changed my state of no understanding - not too bad for intellectual gymnastics.

      Intellectual gymnastics is not the form I always use but this time around it served me well.

      Despite all of this, I appreciate your post and I do mean that. My apologies if for some reason my original post has offended you.

      :-k

      If on the other hand what you are saying is akin to the word "preposterous" then yes my original notion is indeed that.

      :D

      This is what was originally in my head: You can not place something where something already is - if infinity is the largest something then it must be inside nothing - if an infinity is already in that place then another infinity is not going to fit there. Nothing is known as a placeholder. But what would I know?

      :lol:

      Probably nothing.


      Vacuum Definition

      What is today's definition of vacuum?

      I am truly interested in what you have to say here - as you point out I lack understanding.

      "Consciousness" is Everywhere.

      This sounds even more interesting to me - care to elaborate?

      Thank you for your input eaglerising, I hope to hear back from you soon.

      :)


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        Re: Reality - Version 0.0

        Postby eaglerising » Wed May 31, 2017 5:58 am

        endode_decode – Please one question at a time. That way we can stick to the subject at hand and not get sidetracked.

        So let's start with, how do you know with absolute certainty there is nothing? I ask this question because it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Just because you cannot see something doesn't validate or prove that it doesn't exist.
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        Re: Reality - Version 0.0

        Postby encode_decode » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:16 am

        eaglerising

        eaglerising wrote:endode_decode – Please one question at a time. That way we can stick to the subject at hand and not get sidetracked.

        I can respect that. Fair warning though - even when it appears I am getting sidetracked, I probably am not totally sidetracked - in that event, ask for clarification, on the other hand I have been known to get sidetracked, even on this forum.

        eaglerising wrote:So let's start with, how do you know with absolute certainty there is nothing? I ask this question because it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Just because you cannot see something doesn't validate or prove that it doesn't exist.

        Certainty is a big call . . . I agree with you that something can not come from nothing.

        If you are referring to the following from my original post then allow me to clarify:

        endode_decode wrote:First there is nothing - secondly inside this nothing there is infinity - it is infinity that fills the void of nothing.

        This statement confused me when I wrote it; this is the main reason why I posted it; if infinity actually exists then zero and infinity exist at the same time - nothing and everything exist at the same time.

        Because:

        endode_decode wrote:You can not place something where something already is - if infinity is the largest something then it must be inside nothing

        So if infinity is an actual quantity(which I do not believe it to be) then it can only exist inside of a non-quantity. I say this because of the common definition of infinity - which I believe is the opposite of zero.

        Zero would be nothing - whether zero came first or not is not the central point I am trying to make - I am saying that everything(infinity) must exist inside of nothing(zero) - not come from nothing.

        The biggest mind-bender for me is that zero and infinity must be two sides of the one thing. I will give that thing a name:

        Anu-eternal - king of the eternal.

        But the name is beside the point. You can not add anu-eternal because it is both nothing and everything. Infinity then needs eternal zero to spread out into.

        Please don't look at this as gymnastics as much as it may look like that - zero and infinity must be among the hardest questions to answer for deep thinkers.

        :-k

        My explanations might suffer from being figurative but they are illustrative of deeper thought. You can not place something where something already is - you can only add to it - I don't believe you can add infinity. When you add zero to itself then you still get zero. With anu-eternal all the adding has already been done. My rule here is that infinity can only be added to zero so:

        Anu-eternal = zero + infinity

        Indicating that if infinity exists then so does zero.

        If you were to give infinity and zero hypothetical volumes then those volumes would be identical except one volume describes substance and the other describes non-substance. Here it is the hypothetical that does not exist - in which case we get infinite recurrence(a story for another day).

        Where

        0 = Zero
        I = Infinity
        A = Anu-eternal.
        Z = Infinite Recurrence

        A = 0 + I

        A -> Z

        A big pain in the proverbial . . . A leads to Z . . .
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          Re: Reality - Version 0.0

          Postby eaglerising » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:44 am

          encode_decode - Thank you for the clarification. Now I am able to comprehend you.

          encode_decode:
          This statement confused me when I wrote it; this is the main reason why I posted it; if infinity actually exists then zero and infinity exist at the same time - nothing and everything exist at the same time.


          In a manner of speaking what you are correct. What is not correct, there never was a zero because it has always existed. Your statement illustrates the human brain cannot actually conceptualize or picture it. Like Albert Einstein said: "Time is a persistent illusion."
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          Re: Reality - Version 0.0

          Postby eaglerising » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:12 am

          P.S. We can comprehend and understand something that actually exists such as a tree, a PMS color code of 00010, or tides.
          How do you make sense out of an illusion, something that isn't real and doesn't actually exist?
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          Re: Reality - Version 0.0

          Postby James S Saint » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:59 pm

          eaglerising wrote:What is not correct, there never was a zero because it has always existed.

          Which are you saying there; that it is incorrect that it has always exited or the opposite?
          Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
          Else
          From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

          The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

          You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
          The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
          It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
          As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

          Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
          Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

          The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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          Re: Reality - Version 0.0

          Postby eaglerising » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:24 pm

          Jame S Saint –
          Which are you saying there; that it is incorrect that it has always exited or the opposite?


          Hopefully the following well help. If God, Life, Nature, Consciousness Absolute, or whatever you choose to call it has always existed, It has a value greater than zero. Likewise, infinity has a value greater than one. In other words, life cannot be reduced to a mathematical equation.
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          Re: Reality - Version 0.0

          Postby encode_decode » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:53 am

          eaglerising

          What is not correct, there never was a zero because it has always existed.

          Or: there was always a zero because it has never existed.

          Is the displacement of zero the same as the displacement for infinity?

          :-k

          You are saying no. Yet zero represents that which has never existed or does not exist - and that is the perfect place to put infinity unless infinity also does not exist.

          I agree with James that infinity is a misunderstood concept.

          Zero is also a misunderstood concept.

          But surely they are two sides to the same coin.

          :lol:
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