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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:52 pm

Phyllo ... do all educated people feel that mathematics is an important guide to the understanding of human life ... ergo ... consciousness?

I have always enjoyed simple math ... don't have the brains for the more complex math.

Let me apply my simple math skills to religions ...

Numbers testify to the "merit" in current world religions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... opulations

IMO ... the author of the stats doesn't understand Chinese Religion ... not surprising the author is likely a Western individual and few if any Westerners truly understand Chinese thought,
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:56 pm

What do you own? Nothing?


Only what I can take with me to my grave. :-)
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:05 pm

Phyllo ... I'm going for my morning walk ... I hope you have the time ... and interest ... to continue our meaningful digital conversation a bit more today,
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby phyllo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:52 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
What do you own? Nothing?


Only what I can take with me to my grave. :-)
That would seem to include experiences. :-"
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:17 am

phyllo wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
What do you own? Nothing?


Only what I can take with me to my grave. :-)
That would seem to include experiences. :-"


Wow! that's deep Phyllo ... as in still waters run deep.

Reads like you embrace the notion we retain individual consciousness after the death of our vessel.
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:37 am

Phyllo ... a few examples of how my mind cogitates ... sometimes ... while walking.

1) My first thought as I inhaled the fresh crisp morning air ... "Phyllo's flashlight is working pretty good ... he must have found durable batteries. :-)

You're like a guy telling me to drive with my eyes closed. It's not going to happen. For obvious reasons. 8)


2) Some reflection on this morning's experience(s). I woke up to our rather noisy rooster announcing the dawn of a new day. Being the victim of habit that I am ... I made my instant coffee, went out for a smoke came back sat on the sofa and fired up my old lap top. I was shocked to learn it was only 3:00AM :o I've had similar experiences ... they always remind me of the Biblical Samuel

"And Samuel got up and went to Eli and said, “Here I am; you called me.”


3) Some reflection on why I included the adjective "meaningful" as in continue our meaningful digital conversation. Here's what popped into my head:

a) To piss off Arc and Aaron. I'm only kidding ... really. :-) OK ... so I'm not only kidding ... at some level of my being I'm sincere. Though our being has many layers and I don't want to dwell on the primordial level. Yet another dig at Arc and Aaron? ... a manifestation of the "slyness" Arc accused me of in her last post? I don't know ... What is written ... is written. :-)

b) Our digital conversation feels spontaneous ... you make comments and ask questions ... I make comments and ask questions. The time lag between posts is short enough.

You're likely bored so I'll stop here. :-)
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby phyllo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:56 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Phyllo ... do all educated people feel that mathematics is an important guide to the understanding of human life ... ergo ... consciousness?

I have always enjoyed simple math ... don't have the brains for the more complex math.

Let me apply my simple math skills to religions ...

Numbers testify to the "merit" in current world religions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... opulations

IMO ... the author of the stats doesn't understand Chinese Religion ... not surprising the author is likely a Western individual and few if any Westerners truly understand Chinese thought,
I have no idea how this relates to the previous posts. :-?
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby phyllo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:59 am

Reads like you embrace the notion we retain individual consciousness after the death of our vessel.
That's one way to interpret it.

Another way is that you are the product of your experiences and you remember your experiences until you die - then it's all gone. :-k
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:07 am

phyllo wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Phyllo ... do all educated people feel that mathematics is an important guide to the understanding of human life ... ergo ... consciousness?

I have always enjoyed simple math ... don't have the brains for the more complex math.

Let me apply my simple math skills to religions ...

Numbers testify to the "merit" in current world religions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... opulations

IMO ... the author of the stats doesn't understand Chinese Religion ... not surprising the author is likely a Western individual and few if any Westerners truly understand Chinese thought,
I have no idea how this relates to the previous posts. :-?


Phyllo ... people who engage in discussion of the unknown ... that which cannot be known with any degree of certainty ... are literally walking in the dark. I'm amused ... in a positive way ... that you still want to have your flash lite in hand. :) Here's the relationships as I see it:

1) People who walk in the dark without a flash lite often use there hands to feel for something familiar ... something that provides even a little of comfort from the darkness. Referring to stuff we know is a touch stone of sorts.

2) Religions have been a substantial element of our conversation.

3) Statistical mathematics has proven to be quite useful in some circumstances. The numbers suggest Buddhism ... while 2,500 years old is not in the top three world religions ... missing by a long shot ... despite being in China for more than 1,500 years.
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:29 am

phyllo wrote:
Reads like you embrace the notion we retain individual consciousness after the death of our vessel.
That's one way to interpret it. It's the focal point of my Grail Quest. :-)

Another way is that you are the product of your experiences and you remember your experiences until you die -Agree wholeheartedly. Is this an instance of our like mindedness or just more of your playful facetiousness? :-) then it's all gone. :-k
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby phyllo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:39 pm

It's an instance of thinking about the possibilities without committing to any one in particular.
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:35 pm

phyllo wrote:It's an instance of thinking about the possibilities without committing to any one in particular.


=D> =D>

Yet another illustration of your superior wisdom Phyllo ... all at the appointed time eh!
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:02 am

Did the cat get your tongue Phyllo? :-)
Yeah ... in the appropriate circumstances I can be a real SOB. Even my siblings and my children can attest to this admission. You may be trying to figure out how to exploit the contradiction in my last post and an earlier post to Arc ... pick a horse ...
There is no contradiction ... let me attempt to explain ... while you're not likely interested ... other readers may be. :-)
I should acknowledge that I had a chance to check my Nooscope since my last post ... during my morning walk. A Hoopoe did a fly by in the park portion of my walk. So what eh?
Animals speak to us through their behavior patterns. (Animal Speak by Ted Andrews) Of course, humans being animals do the same.
American indigenous peoples were very familiar with this phenomenon ... as were most other ancient cultures. This phenomenon is a blessing to humanity that has largely been lost.
Several years ago I was shocked and amused to learn that the Hoopoe is the National bird for Israel.
I digress ...
The only certainty humans possess is the phenomenon known as "change" ... which manifests itself in stillness, ripples, waves and tsunamis. The human lifespan is far too short for humans to discern the subtelties in the patterns of the universe across time and space. Though some of the greatest thinkers in human history came aweful damn close with so little data.
Today ... it's different. Technoly enables a select community to gather sufficient data across a broad spectrum of time and space ... analyze the data and create charts that reveal the pulse of the universe. Must be really interesting charts eh!
In their infinite wisdom they attempt to insert their personal agenda(s) ... similar to the GMO modalities inserted into our food chain. A smart move indeed.
At some point along the road ... the law of unintentional consequences enters the scene. The AI community's repeated failures awaken the sleepy human consciousness(s). Brezinski ... a genius of of the 20th century discovered this threat many years ago.
Enough babble for one post eh!
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:01 am

phyllo wrote:
I like Mags definition ... though I would use different words. Have you read it?
You mean this :
Likeminded is being able enough to comprehend the other, which helps focus one's thoughts in seeing things without any constructed mental barriers, so as to see and think with better clarity.
I can comprehend people who have views which are completely different from mine and who think in completely different ways. I don't see that as an obstacle ... in fact, it makes the discussion much more interesting. And it forces me to get off my comfy couch and to exercise my mind.


Let's just put this down as "different strokes for different folks".

...you do that ;)
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:24 am

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MagsJ wrote:I think the opposite is actually true... similar ilks build each other up on a mental level, not drag each other down to the dulled physical realm of existence, where one feels one's head will explode with the usual tripe and the endless ennui becomes mind-numbingly toxic.. to the point of threatening one's wellbeing and livelihood.
I think both must be true in different ways. How 'bout this: Phyllo is right in that we all must be challenged in order to grow (no pain, no gain), but you're right Mags in that we all must have a support system in order to grow. Going out and meeting the challenges of un-like minded people is the gathering of material for growth. Returning to your peers and support group is how to best utilize that material for growth. Without material, there isn't much to grow on, even if you have the best support group in the world. But without a support group, it's difficult to know how to utilize the material for your own growth, even if you have an iron resolve to do so. The support group provides guidance, a different (perhaps objective) perspective, and also rejuvinates your confidence in case the challenges take too much of a toll on you.

Perhaps we need to be challenged in different ways/what works for us.. I know what doesn't work for me, so I won't be doing it.

Finding people en masse toxic, is an indicator to not take on those masses, but to find friendships, information, and challenges elsewhere.. now that's a challenge in itself. ;)
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:51 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:The sad truth is most of the active posters spend their talents hissing and clawing at each other.

Hissing and clawing.jpg

...not what I'd call challenging at all, and something that is reflective of the world beyond ILP.. one of toxicity and damaging modern over-competitiveness, bourne from promises of bonuses, commissions, and additional company benefits.

Not everyone needs to be pitted against each other (like animals) inorder to perform.. in fact it would switch that demographic off, not on, for lack of innovative inspiration.
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Re: Weakness is strength??

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:37 pm

Weakness can bring about different ways of being and living.. from necessity in having to, because there is no other option, and so we choose the one that works.
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