pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:For me ... this video is fascinating
If you could send me a link to the Hegel video you mentioned in another thread that would be great.
If I understand Hegel correctly ... just finished the 20 minute google tour
In 1916 Edith Stein received a doctorate of philosophy from the University of Freiburg with a dissertation titled Zum Problem der Einfühlung (On the Problem of Empathy) and directed by the phenomenological philosopher Edmund Husserl.
"Edith Stein also thinks that through acts of empathy we can come to learn what type of person we are. This is partly because through acts of empathy we can become more fully aware of what it is that we actually value."
"It’s not clear to me that Stein has demonstrated that the possession of empathy is a necessary
condition for self-knowledge of one’s material nature. But still this is a very cool philosophical move: if
Stein is right, not only must I have empathy but there must also be other people who have empathy in
order for me to have this kind of self-knowledge. Knowledge of my nature requires a community."
Author wrote:We could in principle have a kind of scientific community of philosophers, provided that the phenomenological method is one that can be taught and hence propagated.
Author wrote:On Stein’s view, universals (of which meanings are a species) can be presented in a primordial experience or be bodily given.
Author wrote:Stein clearly thinks that the meanings of words can be given in primordial experience. But in empathetic acts, foreign experiences are not primordial.
Author wrote:Let’s turn now to primordiality. This technical expression suggests a kind of original or unfounded experience. Perhaps primordial experiences are ones in which an object is given but not in virtue of some other experience in which an object is given. Alternatively but relatedly, perhaps a primordial experience is one that does require another experience in order to present its object.
Author wrote:Stein does point out that not every non-primordial experience needs to be fulfilled by a primordial experience. She claims that an episode of memory is fulfilled when “its experiential continuity to the present” is established.
Author wrote:According to Stein, we have aspects that we cannot have knowledge of unless we perform empathetic acts. Stein’s metaphysic of the human person is in On the Problem of Empathy is that human persons are essentially conscious living physical beings.
Author wrote:It’s not clear to me that Stein has demonstrated that the possession of empathy is a necessary condition for self-knowledge of one’s material nature. But still this is a very cool philosophical move: if Stein is right, not only must I have empathy but there must also be other people who have empathy in order for me to have this kind of self-knowledge.
I must admit when I first noticed your OP I thought to myself "Awesome".pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:It tickles my 'heart' and to a lesser degree my 'mind' that this thread presents the opportunity to discuss Philosophy, Science and Religion/Spirituality all on the same page.
I also found it tough sledding especially in the middle.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Thanks for the article ... I read it ... tough sledding ... unrecognizable terminology
I had to sit here for a while and contemplate the Author's writing.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Though immediately fell in love with one of the closing statements:
Although the current state of the world does concern the pair of us.
I remember a few other things that were frowned upon too. I think when things become taboo it is because people get too scared to deal with their own emotions regarding the truth.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Apparently mentioning brain and emotion in the same sentence was taboo in the mid 90's.
I vaguely remember this expression but I can see how it is true. Certain religions tend to follow a very closed path.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:The expression ... religion is opium for the masses ... is very likely a true statement.
I see what you mean. I think the overall story is even more complicated. I think science might have a few things to answer for here too but I am also certain with technology we we be able to target illnesses better through better drugs and better counseling services. If community was taken more seriously, people would be less reliant on antidepressants and the like.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:The effectiveness of 'religion' as a 'proxy' for mind altering drugs has been wearing thin in the past century ... has it been replaced with the real thing ... actual mind altering drugs like prozac?
I have experienced the impact first hand and seen it in others and I think the impact is that of a chain reaction - sometimes short lived and other times life changing.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:"What is the impact of a highly compassionate person on others?"
A very valid concern indeed.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:What concerns me about Tanya's research is the fact that real people are involved ... versus mice, rats, monkeys etc.
This is definitely not accident in hindsight and is increasingly getting easier and easier to tell of effects in future circumstances. It is getting harder and harder to blame "the law of unintentional consequences" and we should be thinking about all of this. We as a race need to be realistic about the future and we still have a long way to go. The public needs to be more interested in those they place their lives in the hands of. Can we really afford to blindly trust medicine? No we have seen enough evidence of this to start asking questions like: Yes doctor but do you know how this is going to affect my future?pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:The mind altering drugs found in our food chain, water supply, good health additives, vaccinations and so on.
Fruit of enormous capital investment ... coupled with enormous human intellect can hardly be called accident.
What may be an accident ... or the law of unintentional consequences ... is overlooking the fact that there is a kernel of truth in all religions/spirituality. This kernel of truth may come back to bite them in the ass.
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