Ecmandu wrote:You should damn well know after your essay, that consciousness keeps growing.
What do you really think a million year old would say to your essay?
Think. And think outside the box.
From the "second pattern stage" on, we develop the distinct nature of yin and yang and we think in dualistic terms about many things in life.
Your journey back in time would necessarily have to begin when CONSCIOUSNESS ... as in IMMUTABLE CONSCIOUSNESS ... first entered "form" ... not necessarily human form.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
To understand my what my conscious is now, I feel I have to understand what my conscious was before becoming self aware or self-conscious.
What comes before the pattern stage?
encode_decode wrote:After the leveling off we enter the "wise stage" where we start looking for the more absolute nature of our existence. This is a distinct stage that shows itself like no other stage in life as there seems to be some very abstract reasoning going on consciously.
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:I like Manni's new signature line:"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Encode_Decode ... seems I have offended you ... I apologize.
Just to reiterate: I am happy to continue the conversation whichever way it goes and appreciate your questioning of my western psyche.
You are probably right; deep stuff. I have a zero/infinity annihilation theory I use to recycle universes which is mathematical by nature but philosophically relevant to growing into your self but it does imply reincarnation - not sure what to make of it. You have left me more to consider here. Thanks.Amorphos wrote:Consciousness is probably just alpha/beta waves, for me it ‘represents’ the soul [as does the entire form] which is complete and therefore not growing [even where consciousness is]. From birth on-wards the soul settles into its inhabited form and develops respectively ~ as you and your life does. The longer you live the closer you get to the souls full potential in earthly form, almost as if you grow into yourself so to say.
I would be fascinated to hear more about this.Amorphos wrote:That’s a big topic in and of itself. My personal experience is of a detachment which becomes increasingly attached to the living form the soul inherits. I envision something akin to a pool of being ~ a space before becoming shaped, and indeed it will be possible to build a human and [other intelligence’s] in the future, building up to a conscious being some-when during the build process.
I can see what you are saying - I think I may have something the wrong way around there - I will think about that and get back to you - I am still thinking about what you have tripped me up on Hume in another post.James S Saint wrote:Wouldn't that be the "philosophical stage"?
The patterns part makes a lot more sense to me (and same with the inheritance) compared with what to do with prewired stuff. In saying that I have put a lot of thought into the prewired stuff. I will consider the order that you are suggesting as I am sure you have a valid point there.Patterns are distinguished by virtue of relevant contrasts of affectance upon senses. Through inheritance many fundamental affectance contrasts are preprogrammed as relevant (e.g. pain and comfort, light and dark, hot and cold, smooth and rough,.. yins and yangs....). When a pattern triggers recognition of relevancy, "consciousness of" the pattern is formed. In homo-sapiens, this begins in early fetal development for internal senses, "inner consciousness" and "subconsciousness". External consciousness doesn't occur until external senses are triggered, even though many affectance contrasts are already prewired and prepared to alert response (e.g. sounds and parental face).
encode_decode wrote:I like that. I think it has a lot of merit - in my other studies I consider the race as a whole - a collective consciousness so to speak. I could nearly state "the ego would always echo the overarching sentiment of the respective collective psyche" is a fact.
I am interested in this pool of being that you present in the above quote as this zero/infinity theory I have seems to fit what you say about shaping
A = Right - conflicts with wrong
B = Wrong - conflicts with right
I understand - for me it is generally above my head - lol - like your "Konflikt - as a root philosophy." - above my head - I know what you are talking about from a superficial level but it usually takes a few readings for me to fully absorb it at the deeper level.Amorphos wrote:I have read your replies btw, sometimes I just leave things for a while to let it go into my mind, or I have no current answer, - is why I don’t always answer.
Indeed!Amorphos wrote:All that by just doing good!
totally.pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:impossible to delineate the boundaries
I can offer this from Zen
Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.
after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.
Arcturus Descending wrote:Who was it who said that? That really isn't true.
Arcturus Descending wrote:Have you ever sat in front of a mountain or a tree (for instance) for hours and gazed up at it speechless and experienced that I and Thou connection which eventually flowed into simple being?
Arcturus Descending wrote:Mountains, oceans, rivers, trees, stars, snowfalls, rain storms, thunder, lol ad continuum ~~ does one need to become "enlightened" or a Buddhist in order to sense the living beauty and the awesome spirit which resides in these things?
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