@gib - I really like your friendliness - I am happy to PM about anything Then go ahead!
- what kind of software do you like developing? I hope that is an ok question to ask.
Absolutely not! It's like asking me about my sex life!... Just kidding.
encode_decode wrote:I agree to your multiple motive types and this 'pseudo-rationality' also interests me although I am a bit scared to bring it up. Lol.
Well, it's basically sophistry. It's the phenomenon whereby we try to persuade others, often in political contexts or in advertizing, and in order to be most effective, we forego
strict adherence to logic and reason, and instead go for emotion, charisma, logical fallacies that aren't immediately obvious, often fooling even the speaker himself. The way I see it, logic and reason are just tools that the brain has at its disposal. How it uses them is a very situation specific matter. The brain is first and foremost an organ built to help us survive and get through the world. It will use whatever strategy works best towards that end, and whatever strategy works depends highly on context, situation, past experience, background knowledge and familiarity, etc.
I wrote a post a while back called Rationality is Overrated
in which I explain something very much like this.
I'm intrigued by Kant. I know he's sort of passe, but I think he deserves a lot more credit than he's usually given.
The funny thing I noticed about Hume and Kant is how easily I can fit their 'ways' into software. The same can be said of G. W. Leibniz.
You'll have to show me an example of that.
But seriously, sounds interesting. I'm a software developer myself. I'd be interested in understanding your program in more depth, but maybe not here, maybe in a PM (unless you think it's relevant to "bounded rationality", which it seems you do).
It is related; there are a few gaps in my description - the whole idea came from the idea of my earliest memories - I asked myself what was the first clear memory I had; how would I fit things I perceived before my first memory? and I called these incepts which led me to the idea of Humes Impressions
and furthermore to Bounded Rationality. As you can see I have made a few leaps here but so far I am getting very satisfactory results. Just to re-iterate: I am happy to PM about anything - including software matters.
Yeah, I'm interested to understand your software concept at a high level.
^ Is this what you feel you've capture in a computer algorithm?
Mmm . . . Great question - honestly it is hard to be sure - I have some great results so far - I have been working on many algorithms that I connect via a similar system to a 'message bus' like they use in the game dev industry.Is that like a message queue?
This Bounded Rationality concept which I borrowed from Herbert A. Simon and the contents of this thread including motives I have guessed will fit into a minimum of two algorithms. The original concept I am led to believe applied to economics and in particular applied well to the scenario of a superior in an office asking a question of a subordinate.Again, I'd like to hear more about it.
I don't know - I just think that if/when any significant AI comes into reality then we have to be responsible and hence my inquiry into philosophical concepts including ethics.Hmm... what's you're thoughts on the possibility of some kind of AI take-over or revolt--you know, like how they depict in The Matrix or I Robot?
How do you think about the way we should conduct ourselves pertaining to motives?
I always do my best to analyze my own motives and where I see flaws I endeavor to correct them - but I tell you on many occasions it is very hard. Oh and by the way; I don't mind a little divergence from the main topic - I think it is like catching ones breath. In saying that I think that my original inquiries have been sufficiently looked at regarding Bounded Rationality - so aside from the considerations of version 3 and some of the side topics discussed, this topic is nearly done and dusted. I appreciate your input.
Yeah, there's not a lot of strictness here over sticking to the topic in a thread, just as long as the discussion doesn't get super nasty (and even there, you'd be surprised at how lenient the mods can be).
How should we conduct ourselves concerning our motives? I think it always helps to be as self-aware as possible, but given what I said above--that the brain is built to serve our survival in this world--it's sometimes best to just let the brain do what it does. For me, I've always felt the healthiest way to live, psychologically, is to maintain a moral compass, to always keep alive the voice of right and wrong in the back my mind and allow it to guide my conduct in life. That being said, I don't prescribe any particular
morality for one person or another--for example, is eating pork morally right or morally wrong?--I think that's between a man and his own conscience, a very personal thing--but I do advocate that each person preserve some
sense of right and wrong in their life. I think with a healthy conscience guiding one through life, one's motives, and even the tricks the unconscious plays on us, will be very unlikely to result in anything absolutely atrocious morally speaking. Nothing's perfect, of course, but I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to be