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Re: Work Stinx

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:54 am

There are only three kinds of people:
  • Those who enjoy working,
  • the ignorant, and
  • the miserable.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Dan~ » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:56 am

James S Saint wrote:There are only three kinds of people:
  • Those who enjoy working,
  • the ignorant, and
  • the miserable.

Really?
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:58 am

Dan~ wrote:Really?

Really.


... not counting;
  • The dead.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Dan~ » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:02 am

How is this knowledge?
Sorting humanity into 3 groups is like taking a bunch of potatoes then sorting them into the small, medium and large piles.
How is that science?
It doesn't tell me much of anything.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:09 am

Dan~ wrote:How is this knowledge?
Sorting humanity into 3 groups is like taking a bunch of potatoes then sorting them into the small, medium and large piles.
How is that science?
It doesn't tell me much of anything.

Even Science has to begin somewhere.

Of course, it would help if scientists grasped the larger picture involved in categorizing, the relevance involved.

Life depends upon the effort to maintain it. In effect, that is what defines life. And the effort to maintain it is called "work".

So the "relevance involved" is that either
    1) You enjoy your life (aka the effort to maintain it, "work")
    2) You are merely ignorant of what is keeping you alive
    ... and thus will soon either die or change your perspective, or
    3) You remain in a constant state of dissatisfaction until you either learn to enjoy living or die.
But then, scientists are not the most brilliant people on Earth, so no telling what they might choose to worship.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:11 am

James S Saint wrote:
Dan~ wrote:How is this knowledge?
Sorting humanity into 3 groups is like taking a bunch of potatoes then sorting them into the small, medium and large piles.
How is that science?
It doesn't tell me much of anything.

Even Science has to begin somewhere.

Of course, it would help if scientists grasped the larger picture involved in categorizing, the relevance involved.

Life depends upon the effort to maintain it. In effect, that is what defines life. And the effort to maintain it is called "work".

So the "relevance involved" is that either
    1) You enjoy your life (aka the effort to maintain it, "work")
    2) You are merely ignorant of what is keeping you alive
    ... and thus will soon either die or change your perspective, or
    3) You remain in a constant state of dissatisfaction until you either learn to enjoy living or die.
But then, scientists are not the most brilliant people on Earth, so no telling what they might choose to worship.

Yea, it takes effort, which is approximately a synonym for work, to maintain existence, and work can be enjoyable, it can also be a means to other ends.
So work itself is not an evil.
However, once one has succeeded in maintaining ones existence in fair health/the existence of whoever may be dependent on one, like family, than whatever work one does after that, is unnecessary.

Unless you're rich, it already takes a lot of effort to attain the things needed sustain ones life force, such as good food, clothing and shelter, in fair health, whatever additional work one undertakes will be increasingly difficult and unnecessary, and so one ought to minimize such needless, fruitless stress, especially if it's particularly painful, or one ultimately ends up risking what's essential for what's superfluous or trivial, which is known as vanity, or hubris, among other things.
And this is exactly what humanity is doing, and it shall be its undoing.
We consume hundreds of times more energy than any other species per head, and it must stop, or we will die, individually/collectively.
Consumerism is sin.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:22 am

What you're missing James, is yes, it takes effort/work to survive, but you know what else it takes, rest, the right balance of work and rest.
There's also a kind of light work that is more restful, and is not a burden to oneself and ones environment, and this is the sort of work I advocate, after one has already attained what's essential.
Work that is enjoyable, and doesn't require a lot of resources and energy.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:26 am

Most work, or more specifically, jobs are unpleasant, a means to ends.
And you don't have to enjoy them to survive, althou it helps if you can, well, unless you enjoy them too much and become a workaholic, which can be detrimental for ones personal, social and environmental well-being.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:17 am

But some species need to be controlled, by diminution of their population, because they will make other species scarce, by hunting them down for their own food supply.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Xunzian » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:51 am

Only boring people are bored.

There is a lot of work that "stinks" but what do you mean and how should we approach this?

Many jobs suck because of their low pay. I left a much more emotionally fulfilling job for a much more profitable one and I haven't look back. I keep having to work less and less and I keep getting paid more and more. It's a very sweet position. And that has its own emotional fulfillment.

What stinks is that you are working for less than what you are worth. Fight for what you are worth.

Organize.

It's worth it.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:05 am

I have a suspicion that James is a Chinese considering that he reduces everything to "work", which is to say, as he defines it, here implicitly, to effort to survive.

Everything comes down to survival to him.
There are no needs unrelated to survival.
Every need is, directly or indirectly, in service of the need to survive.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:11 pm

jerkey wrote:But some species need to be controlled, by diminution of their population, because they will make other species scarce, by hunting them down for their own food supply.

I wouldn't intervene in nature unless it was absolutely necessary to save a species that was in peril because of previous unconscious and monetarily/materially driven interference.
If a species were to die off naturally, because a species other than man was more fit, we should let it happen, excessive interventions will only promote the weak at the expense of the strong or have unintended, potentially dire consequences.
That being said, if it was a species we really admired/adored, perhaps it'd be worth making a few exceptions.
I mean don't get me wrong, my species has more value to me than other species... but other species have value to me too, and we still are and probably will always be at least partly dependent on nature, on wilderness, we musn't bite the hand that feeds us, or have to much hope and faith in social and scientific 'progress'.
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Re: Work Stinx

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be working around the clock to make robots to save people from factory labor.

My destiny in life is to be a rich billionaire, to make the plans, start a charity and tell others to build the robots so I don't have to.

I would say embrace your laziness, don't do too much, don't set the bar too high, only things that're fairly easy/aren't too difficult are worth doing.


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