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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby James S Saint » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:37 am

AutSider wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
AutSider wrote:I admit I don't know enough about relativity to comment on it, but I don't see your point about the Newtonian forces, no. "Force" is just a name assigned to an observable phenomenon. When physical things of big mass pull towards themselves other things, we call this pulling "gravitational force", no? What's so non-existent here?

That there is no "pulling" (nor pushing).


"pulling" is just another word we use to describe this observable interaction where one object attracts towards itself another object. What exactly is the issue here?

Even if that was true, there is no "attracting" going on either.

The objects merely migrate into the more dense region of space. In most circumstances that is the region directly between the two or more mass objects. But such isn't always true. A dense region of space CAN BE intentionally formed off to one side or even in the opposite direction, causing the objects to not migrate toward each other, but to a different point in space. And it can even be arranged that they migrate away from each other entirely, resulting in "anti-gravity" behavior.

The point is that mass objects are only responding to their immediate surroundings, not to distance objects. Einstein didn't belief in "spooky action at a distance" from neither Newton nor Bohr. In that regard, he was right.

Magnus Anderson wrote:The issue is that there is no direct interaction between two distant objects. In other words, pushing and pulling is an appearance. That's how I understand it.

Exactly.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby AutSider » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:24 pm

Sounds to me like our disagreements are mostly of a semantic nature, so whatever.
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:01 am

James S Saint wrote:... proposing that a certain food is good for everyone and then proving it by denying that food to a large sample group to demonstrate that they die. Such is often done with animals and secretly to people, but consumer science can hardly advertise that it has scientifically proven that any particular set of ethics is superior. (emphasis added)

Science must experiment with both the presence and the absence of the proposed ethics principles, strongly affecting people's lives. And using history does not count and is not science. One can logically and rationally prove ethical principles to those few who can think rationally, but science cannot be used to empirically prove them. Such would be unethical.


James here speaks of "consumer science." Also we have heard of Musicology, The Science of Chess, Alternative Approaches to health and healing (such as The Science of Acupuncture.) Perhaps the word "science" here is being employed in the older Continental sense of a systematic study, including research ...as in the original sense of the etymological word Sciencia - the root of the word: science.

In Ethical Adventures {a link to which you will find in the list below} M.C. Katz quotes Kant, who said: "Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play."

Then, in his Preface, Dr. Katz notes:
"What [the concept 'science'] is meant to be is a search for truth, a way
to increase the amount of useful information in the world, offering
a frame-of-reference for understanding of the scope {in this case, of ethics}
and indicating how useful ethics actually is - and can be even more so - for
living a valuable life."


Later, on p. 8, the writer - reminding us of some empirical facts - has a character say: " We are social animals. We desire to live together and
to pursue things together. Anything that is important to us we often want to do with others, and we then develop structures and institutions for doing that.

Nearly all societies develop something that could be called a “state” – i.e. a structure of laws, with an authority to proclaim and enforce them. Countries, however, are not essential; they can, and are, being replaced by regional authorities. Also, many of us live by the principles that “One good turn deserves another” (reciprocity); and “What goes around comes around."

James writes: "One can logically and rationally prove ethical principles to those few who can think rationally, but science cannot be used to empirically prove them. Such would be [i]unethical."

Not necessarily!! Many in high places (of power) today constantly violate the Principles offered in the Kindle book cited in the o.p. of this thread ...principles derived by the science - such as Inclusivity, Accountability, Respect for self and others, the Means/Ends Relationship, concern for Human Rights, the Consistency Principle - all of which are merely guidelines, not rules nor laws.... so we have now plenty of examples of what not to do. This conduct can be meaningfully contrasted with morally-healthy conduct that those of good character would display, as explained in some depth in the book.. In this way we would get the negative and the positive instances to which James, in his role of Philosopher of Science, alludes in the quoted passage.

As Dr. Robert S. Hartman elucidated, science is a set of unordered (or partially ordered) data along with a frame-of-reference [a theory, a model of models] that with the aid of some bridge laws (of interpretation), order and explain the data ...thus, as James said, increasing the truth value, or degree of confidence, we have in the formerly chaotic swirl of ideas relative to a topic. When the specific topic is ethics {in the considered analysis of some of us, based upon the findings of the new science, the Science of Ethics} we note lots of chaos - such as the current state of ethical understanding and insight that prevails. Today we see an utter lack of moral clarity; the situation is incongruent, and it is an incoherence. This is so from The White House on down. And we, in the USA, have the best Congress money can buy. Hypocrisy and the corruption are thick and rampant. ...the U.S.A. and much of the world is morally sick.

Every proposition and conclusion of science is highly-tentative, is dated and indexed, and is subject to revision when new findings come along. Science is the opposite of dogma. We have nothing to fear from the advancement of science :!:

Your views and comments are welcome !

So what do you think about all this?
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:01 am

Ophthalmology, especially its sub-branch Optometry - like Ethics is a science that is both subjective and objective at the same time.
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:46 am

Science is about what works.

The claim is being made here, {and in Living Successfully,
https://www.amazon.com/LIVING-SUCCESSFU ... B01NBKS42C
[A Kindle app is necessary to read it..}

is that if you live by the principles offered in this book, then it not only will work in your own life, but also work to benefit the entire human race, in that it will make an ethical world more probable ...by the example you present and represent.

That it will help you have a harmonious life is a testable hypothesis. And it is falsifiable; for if you ignore the principles and behave in a contrary way the theory predicts you will have friction and disharmony in your life.

Once a goal is projected it is possible to objectively determine the most effective way of achieving the goal,. It is possible to evaluate how realistic it is, by calculating the probability of that goal being achieved at all.

Gravity still works. And harmony still works.

Life has value. Value is based upon meaning. Every individual wants life to have some meaning. For if not, life is empty, devoid of meaning. When life has no meaning for an individual, he or she is likely to commit suicide, to end life. In an ethical society, one made up of ethical individuals, we can predict that spousal abuse rates, crime rates, suicide rates, and murder rates will be way down. And war will be nearly absent. Statistical studies will confirm this. A society, region or culture with minimal crime and suicide statistics may have earned the right to regard itself as ethical.

In an ethical world people will live in harmony. The opposite of harmony is conflict, chaos, murder, and war. The logical argument being made here is:

1) The more ethical individuals there are, the nearer we all are to living in an ethical world.

2) An ethical individual would find life to be meaningful, would evaluate life as having some meaning.

3) Those who find meaning in life, in living in this world, do not normally commit suicide.

4) If a state or society (or local region) arranges its policies so that crime rates and suicide rates are close to zero, then it is justifiable to conclude that the society or region is an ethical one.

5) The more regions of this planet that are ethical, the closer we have come to an ethical world.

6) What is meaningful to us we speak of as having value.

7) Some commit suicide slowly by being destructive either to themselves or to others; they spread the opposite of harmony. Their conduct results in chaos and/or confusion. Or they display indifference to the intrinsic value of the human person, in all of its beautiful depth and complexity.

Some do things they will later in life regret – especially if they later develop an awakened, sensitive, educated conscience, for it may then bother them for the remainder of their years. It is best to avoid a guilty conscience in the first place. A person of good character knows this.

He or she will not permit himself to be dominated by, nor intimidated by, a selfish individual. In the long run the unselfish people who practice harmonious human relations will triumph. Harmony still works.


What say you?
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:32 pm

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So does anyone here care about the advancement of Ethics, either as

I) a body of knowledge; or

II) as a discipline

or both :?:

and if you do, what are you doing about it :!: :?:


As a service, I shall now announce for those who are interested - and if you read the book cited in the o.p. you will know why this is relevant - the development of a new Ethical Technology, which uses earth-friendly materials for its anode and for its electrolyte, and it is solid-state, with all the advantages that implies: see
https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/good ... technology

Thus the widespread introduction of electric cars can now become a reality.

Connecting the dots......: less air pollution means less illness, less brain-damage, means less stupid conduct, viz., less-immoral conduct, means less chaos, friction and/or needless conflict, means possibly more harmony in this world.

And more harmonious human relations brings us closer to living in an ethical world.

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:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:00 am

In the post of March 9th, 2017, the post just-before the previous one, I wrote about the concept "harmony," arguing that it is an essential factor of ethics.
I also spoke there of chaos; and the following remarks are relevant to that:

One way to cause chaos is to do harm.

Harm is the opposite of harmony.

Therefore, we conclude as a life-guideline the imperative, Do no harm.

This has lots of implications for the setting of policy.

Torture, of course, is then out of the question; and so is violence. Although force is morally permissible according to the findings of the ethical scientists. The scientists in the field of Ethics make a distinction here.

Do you know the difference between "force" and "violence"?

Do you know what it is, as the science understands it? ....want to venture a guess?
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:38 am

AutSider wrote:
There is no such thing as a science of ethics in the sense that "oughts" can be scientifically determined in the same way as statements of "is".


Yes, ought statements can be analyzed in terms of (testable) is-statements. See pp. 41-45 HERE: https://www.hartmaninstitute.org/wp-con ... course.pdf

Recall the Euler diagram from a Logic course. Where the two circles intersect, let us speak of that as an "overlap." If I declare that "Autsider ought to be able to understand the contents of LIVING SUCCESSFULLY" I am affirming that there is an overlap between who Autsider is - and - what being able to understand the contents of LIVING SUCCESSFULLY is.

Autsider [or those who know Autsider perhaps better than he knows himself] will be able to confirm the above proposition, as to whether it is True, False, or Undetermined.

Also see: https://www.amazon.com/LIVING-SUCCESSFU ... in+C.+Katz


Comments? Questions?
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:00 pm

thinkdr wrote:In the post of March 9th, 2017, the post just-before the previous one, I wrote about the concept "harmony," arguing that it is an essential factor of ethics.
I also spoke there of chaos; and the following remarks are relevant to that:

One way to cause chaos is to do harm.

Harm is the opposite of harmony.

Therefore, we conclude as a life-guideline the imperative, Do no harm.

This has lots of implications for the setting of policy.

Torture, of course, is then out of the question; and so is violence. Although force is morally permissible according to the findings of the ethical scientists. The scientists in the field of Ethics make a distinction here.

Every day is a torture for me.
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Re: Announcing a new science - its name is ETHICS

Postby thinkdr » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:49 pm

If a critic protests that in my previous post the example I gave was not a "moral ought" then how about this illustration instead:

Autsider ought to have a high degree of morality.

This is a claim or an observation that is equivalent (by definition in the science) to this:'

Given who' Autsider' is, and given what having a 'high degree of morality' means, there is an overlap between the two.

Certainly this usage of 'ought' is a moral ought. The latter two sentences are "is" statements. Hence we have shown that a moral-ought is actually a descriptive statement which connotes a prescriptive statement. It often denotes a gap between what is and what might be, but not necessarily. Autsider may already be highly moral; yet one can rationally declare the proposition in the illustration that was offered anyway.


To have a high degree of morality is to possess integrity, authenticity, empathy, aswell as the other marks of a god character. The document Living Successfully: how the new Science of Ethics will benefit you. explains in detail what is entailed in 'having a good character.' See op. cit.
:idea:For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
[NEW] :!: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf

ETHICS FOR THE 21st CENTURY - (2015) http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICS%20FOR%20THE%2021ST%20CENTURY.pdf

BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach (2014) http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

and ASPECTS OF ETHICS http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ ... ics%20.pdf

When you Google this selection you may wish tostart with page 20 to skip the technicalities. Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/Ethics_A_College_Course.pdf
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