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Postby gib » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:00 am

Has anyone here tried doing philosophy with children. I have two children of my own, a son (Kaden) and a daughter (Cassidy). Kaden's 6 and Cassidy's 8. Both really smart kids. Very imaginative.

I try testing their philosophical wits every now and then. Here's a few samples.

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A year ago:

Daddy: Hey guys, if God created the universe, who created God?

Kaden: Jesus!

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Around 2012 or so, Cassidy is 4:

Daddy: Hey Cas, what if we're not really walking down this sidewalk? What if the sidewalk's really moving backward, and the whole world too?

Cassidy: Uh... yeah... and what if this cookie is really chicken?

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Just the other day:

Daddy: Hey guys, can you think of a number less than 1 but greater than 0?

Kaden: Uh... 1?

Daddy: Is 1 less than 1?

Cassidy: Half.

Daddy: Right!

Cassidy: But you can also have a quarter.

Daddy: That's right, and what if you split that quarter in half?

Cassidy: Uh... you'd get half a quarter.

Daddy: That's right. That's called an eighth. In fact, there's infinity numbers between 1 and 0. Because half an eighth is called a sixteenth. And half a sixthth is called a thirty-secondth. And half a thirty-secondth is called a sixty-fourth. And half a sixty-fourth is call a hundred-and-twenty-eighth. And it keeps going forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever! [inhale]

[Cassidy stairs at me unimpress]

Cassidy: You're weird.

Next I'll try Zeno's paradox.

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Anybody have kids? Every try their brains at philosophy?
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby James S Saint » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:09 am

gib wrote:Has anyone here tried doing philosophy with children.

Everyone who has tried "doing philosophy" on these forums. 8)
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Pandora » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:10 am

I wouldn't force philosophy on kids. You might give them the impression that you are smart and know all the answers already. We already force all kind of ideologies, trainings and rules on our kids. And kids are very impressionable and are psychologically vulnerable. So, garbage in-garbage out, and you may build a whole garbage foundation that they will struggle to shake off later on in their life.
Just be honest with them.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Kriswest » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:54 am

We just encouraged our son to read and ask questions. That asking questions part will bite you in the butt at least twice a week :) .
He had fun books and study books at the age of 5. LOL I went up to his school at least once a week because of fighting and arguing with his teachers about subjects. So be careful when you put a child's desire to learn and curiosity into overdrive.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:29 pm

Exposing a kid to violence is the best way to get a kid into philosophy. Start him with the violent videogames, then the violent movies. Oppression will trigger the nobility reflex and he will start asking questions like "Why, why am I here, why do humans think the way they do," etc.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:39 pm

Pandora wrote:I wouldn't force philosophy on kids. You might give them the impression that you are smart and know all the answers already. We already force all kind of ideologies, trainings and rules on our kids. And kids are very impressionable and are psychologically vulnerable. So, garbage in-garbage out, and you may build a whole garbage foundation that they will struggle to shake off later on in their life.
Just be honest with them.


God, I'm a horrible father.

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Exposing a kid to violence is the best way to get a kid into philosophy. Start him with the violent videogames, then the violent movies. Oppression will trigger the nobility reflex and he will start asking questions like "Why, why am I here, why do humans think the way they do," etc.


You and Pandora should talk.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:41 pm

Pandora wrote:I wouldn't force philosophy on kids. You might give them the impression that you are smart and know all the answers already. We already force all kind of ideologies, trainings and rules on our kids. And kids are very impressionable and are psychologically vulnerable. So, garbage in-garbage out, and you may build a whole garbage foundation that they will struggle to shake off later on in their life.
Just be honest with them.



He's talking about philosophy not politics.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:49 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Pandora wrote:I wouldn't force philosophy on kids. You might give them the impression that you are smart and know all the answers already. We already force all kind of ideologies, trainings and rules on our kids. And kids are very impressionable and are psychologically vulnerable. So, garbage in-garbage out, and you may build a whole garbage foundation that they will struggle to shake off later on in their life.
Just be honest with them.



He's talking about philosophy not politics.


Or religion.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:50 pm

Most people think, "philosophy" is whatever set of reasoning goes along with their own world view. They honest to god can't get outside their own religious or political perspective. It's really hard.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:10 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Most people think, "philosophy" is whatever set of reasoning goes along with their own world view. They honest to god can't get outside their own religious or political perspective. It's really hard.


Yeah, there is a difference between doing philosophy and philosophical views. It's just like how people confuse science for the discoveries of science.

And even then, there's a difference between doing philosophy and asking philosophical questions. That's really all I'm doing with my children: asking them philosophical questions and seeing how their little minds process it. If anything, I'm helping them exercise their thinking skills. If I can get them to understand that there's an infinite range of numbers between 0 and 1, they'll light years beyond their peers.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:12 pm

Try talking to them about the wonders of the universe, in childlike terms.
Take them outside to look up at the night sky and the constellations.
Don't forget to tell them how important it is to hug a tree.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:01 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Don't forget to tell them how important it is to hug a tree.


:lol: I'll tell them Arc said so.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:53 pm

Daddy: Hey guys, does God have a body?

Cassidy: No.

Daddy: Then how does he exist? Where is he?

Cassidy: God is the wind. <-- I like that answer. :)

Daddy: Did you guys know there are some people who believe that after God created the universe, he just walked away? These are call deists.

Cassidy: What? But God wouldn't walk away if he loves us.

Daddy: Well, it might be like when mommy drops you guys off at school.

Cassidy: But God doesn't drop people off at school.

Daddy: Well, maybe he just had to go and do something. Like maybe he had to go get groceries.

[kids laugh]

I think my daughter's gonna be a regular philosopher. In fact, she asked me the other day if I could setup an ILP account for here. As much as I'd love that, I told her: maybe when you're older.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby pilgrim_tom » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:46 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Exposing a kid to violence is the best way to get a kid into philosophy. Start him with the violent videogames, then the violent movies. Oppression will trigger the nobility reflex and he will start asking questions like "Why, why am I here, why do humans think the way they do," etc.


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OTH ... I have learned some utterly profound truths in some of your words ... subtle profundity. I'll file the above post in the subtle profundity drawer ... the same drawer I filed your following words ...

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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:37 am

Kaden: Can you sleep with me for 5 minutes?

Daddy: Ok, I'll sleep with you for a looong five minutes, how 'bout that.

Kaden: Ok.

Daddy: Kades, do you think there can be a short five minutes and a long five minutes?

Kaden: Well, maybe in those other places around the world that have different times.

Daddy: You mean different time zones?

Kaden: Yeah, I think so.

Daddy: So you mean, maybe somewhere else in the world, five minutes is really six minutes long?

Kaden: Maybe.

Daddy: Do you think time is longer on the Moon?

Kaden: [laughs] Daddy, there aren't any people on the Moon.

Daddy: [laughs] Oh, right, what was I thinking?

[Kaden thinks a bit]

Kaden: ... actually, I think you can have time even if there's no people.

Cassidy: Five minutes is five minutes. It can't be different. Sometimes time can feel like it's taking longer, but it always takes the same amount of time.

Well, that settled that.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby Faust » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:28 pm

Your kids are very bright. Children are naturally better at philosophy than most adults. Often, they are better at drawing, composing simple songs and telling certain kinds of stories. It's mysterious but obvious. Philosophy is an art.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby pilgrim_tom » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:06 pm

Faust wrote:Your kids are very bright. Children are naturally better at philosophy than most adults. Often, they are better at drawing, composing simple songs and telling certain kinds of stories. It's mysterious but obvious. Philosophy is an art.


Is it such a mystery Faust?

The clay is simply clay until the potter forces it into some particular shape.
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Re: philosophy with children

Postby gib » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:56 pm

matty wrote:http://www.thephilosophyman.com/


hmm... iiinteresting. :-k Will have to check that out later.
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