Mr Reasonable wrote:James, I don't see why you make the distinction between mind and matter while simultaneously, seemingly, stating that mind is matter.
Mr Reasonable wrote:Dude. A scent is a particle of matter than enters and stimulates your nostrils. A scent is totally matter. Jesus.
Mr Reasonable wrote:You're telling me that answers.com says that because the particles of matter are so small that you can't observe them, that they're not matter, because you have to observe them with your nose?
Arcturus Descending wrote:barbarianhorde wrote:All we can know is, matter is a mental concept.
We dunno if it exists out of the mind.
We thinks the mind is the brain and we think the brain is matter. So we think our mind is matter and we know matter from our mind.
We have a word for each of them and these arent interchangeable so they are distinct.
Ideas are mental concepts.
Matter is physical reality albeit how we "see" it, how our minds and eyes see it, isn't necessarily how it is.
Scientists and neurosurgeons touch the brain. It is matter.
I personally do not think of my mind as matter. It is like the scent (mind) of the rose is to the rose I(matter).
Yes, they are distinct.
Mr Reasonable wrote:The movement of matter isn't dependent on an observer. The observation of the movement of matter is.
"matter" is an idea.
or is it not an idea?
Yes, of course, it is.
So: without mind, no matter. Logic.
James S Saint wrote:If you scramble the language, you scramble the mind.
Mr Reasonable wrote:James S Saint wrote:If you scramble the language, you scramble the mind.
So stop doing it. If smelling something is a result of matter stimulating your nostrils by moving into them, then why make that metaphor in defense of mind body duality?
Mr Reasonable wrote:There are better arguments for your position than the ones you're giving.
Mr Reasonable wrote:Do you want to swap and you be the one reducing mind to matter and I'll take the opposite stance?
Mr Reasonable wrote:If you think that one side or the other in the mind/body debate can defeat the other, or the means by which it must be addressed.
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