Trump is only guilty of one thing

Wyld, let us agree that we have a failed ME policy and just
about any policy about the ME will fail as has been shown by
history over the last two centuriesā€¦
The solution certainly isnā€™t packing up and getting out of dodge.
That ship has sailed and we are stuckā€¦ Now what?

We are in a world wide economy today.
that is a fact and we must accept the fact
that in this world wide economy, every part of
the world plays a role in this new world economyā€¦
Now I agree with those who want to downplay the economic
aspect of this new regime but the facts are pretty clear,
unless there is a collapse of the type of the medieval from the
Roman, we are stuck with the current fiascoā€¦
Unlike Phyllo who fails to see that what we see is the result of not just
a few years of history and actions, but decades and
even centuries of history playing out today.
How do you put a cork into centuries of history?

You canā€™t but you can shape it, guide it.
Like a raging river, you canā€™t stop the river from
flowing but you can guide it with changes to how
the river flows and with such things as damā€™s and
the likeā€¦ We arenā€™t going to stop history from flowing
but we can contain it a bit and maybe that is all we need
to doā€¦

Kropotkin

If you could put the blame on the Republicans and the GOP then you would jump on it right away. But since you canā€™t avoid implicating Democrats, you take a ā€˜broader viewā€™ of history. :evilfun:

K: decades and even centuriesā€¦
note those words which implicates not only
GOP and Demā€™s but the English and French
and Russians and the Turkish and the Chinese!
As I however mentioned in another post about Herr Trumpf,
it takes a civilization centuries and millionā€™s of people
to build, but it takes one idiot with an foolish idea
to torch it, the way Hitler and Stalin set Europe and Russia back
decades with their foolishness. The GOP set the middle east back
decades with their foolishness and we are paying the price right now.
Al Quida and Isis wasnā€™t built in a day, but over decades and generations
of historyā€¦ and each step of bumbling in the ME by a whole lot of people
over the years, have lead us to today and Al quida and Isisā€¦
improvement takes years even centuries but destruction takes
about 5 minutes and a stick of TNTā€¦ We are looking at the long
years of history here and in that, everyone is guiltyā€¦including
you and meā€¦I donā€™t really believe in a single person being guilty,
but I do believe collectively we are guilty of crimes against
humanity and the planetā€¦ We are all guilty (not in the biblical sense
of inherited guilt from birth, but from inaction or in this case, actions
toward a people or a region)
the long view of history wonā€™t be kind to us and nor should it beā€¦
We have fucked up and badlyā€¦ Now the only question is,
are we ready to try to fix it or do we punt and let our children deal with
itā€¦

Kropotkin

You manage to stick it again to Trump and the GOP. But you still canā€™t say ā€¦ :laughing:

Democrats are guilty ā€¦

Obama is guilty ā€¦

Hillary is guilty ā€¦

K: I have already said that the Demā€™s deserve their share of the blame
which goes back decades beyond Kennedy to FDRā€¦ Yes, in part
Obama is guilty as is Clinton, both Hillary and bill. I have already conceded
this, but the guilt goes to following the game plan of
protecting Corporate profits over doing the right thing ā€¦
and that has been the doing of both GOP and the Demā€™sā€¦
We have failed because we have put corporate profits over
everything else and this has gone on for decades and even
centuriesā€¦ And we can lay the failure thereā€¦ Allowing
corporate affairs to dictate public policyā€¦ and everyone
is guilty of thatā€¦You think you have won some
sort of points, but you have failed to see the long game
and thus, you have failed at something bigger than just
winning points on the internetā€¦You have failed at
understanding and that is a shameā€¦so let
me repeat at the cost of being redundantā€¦

both parties have failed, both parties have failed,
both parties have failed, the question is, now what?
instead of searching for blame, let us try something new!
Search for solutions.

Kropotkin

You look forward to when the GOP is decimated. You donā€™t want a vibrant political system. You want the Democratic party to rule over all - president, senate, congress.

Your solution is overwhelming support for Hillary.

What is she going to do that is different? How is she any sort of solution? Four more years of the same?

The lesser of two evils? Is that all?

Your blind partisanship is what really ticks me off about your posts.

Either will cause hell and havoc. But, it is time for it.

You want hell and havoc? :-k

I think that maybe Joker got access to Kriswestā€™s account.

=D> :laughing:

As a politician, Trump is not guilty of anything until heā€™s elected and caught.

Damn fools canā€™t see that civilization is slowly eroding being destroyed from within and very soon that process will gain momentum in speeding up. I personally look forward to civilization being destroyed as nothing will change until it is.

You guys just canā€™t see the forest for the trees.

Have fun with your childish political ideals as they never amount to much ever.

Nope, not me. I was working all night and Kriswest would be a boring account to hack anyways.

Oh, like yours would be exciting,

Both candidates have done more insulting each other then they have done real campaigning. This shows both to have childish huge egos. Both enjoy the spotlight too much, both crave to be historical figures, this means they both have the very real potential of doing something extreme in office. With childish egos involved, the extreme will be stupid and really dangerous.

K: my solution is not Hillary, but my current choices is either Clinton or Herr Trumpf.
You mistake my preference for Clinton to be my solution and it is notā€¦
The solution we are working out right now, on this web siteā€¦Which is why
I asked for solutions to the current situationā€¦

I am a realistā€¦ I know both parties are fucked up, but that doesnā€™t stop
me from finding a way around themā€¦Nothing is ever ā€œfour more years of the sameā€
stuff happens and off we go, on some different trackā€¦My personal solutions
would actually involved having more than two parties for startersā€¦I would
term limit congressmenā€¦ turn elections from the state and local level to
the federal governmentā€¦Move voting to sundaysā€¦this is easy achievable stuffā€¦
the hard path comes laterā€¦ Moving money out of electionsā€¦ find ways to tie
people to their governmentā€¦ and by ties, not physical ties but emotional ties.
We need to connect people to their, THEIR governmentā€¦The solutions
we seek is not about the nuts and bolts of government, but about creating
a sense that we are one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for allā€¦
Equality would be my mantra, what would create more freedom, more liberty?
Equality means having a tax rate that is equal and fair to allā€¦
Equality means justice is for everyone, not just the one who can afford it.
Equality means we have equal access to medical, justice, schooling, in fact,
to every aspect of lifeā€¦Those are solutions and in some of them are solutions
to the problems of the MEā€¦
we cannot solve the ME problems until we solve our own problemsā€¦
Throwing stones from glass houses has a bad, bad endingā€¦

You claim I am ā€œblind partisanshipā€ and yet, I can look for and
beyond the days when we donā€™t have partiesā€¦ just people voting
for candidates who have no party. Just peopleā€¦ but those days
are off in a distant future, I must work with what is in front of me,
so I look partisan but I am really notā€¦

Kropotkin

=D> Finally some substance. Well done.

K: there has always been substanceā€¦You just never noticedā€¦

Kropotkin

The solution, is to stop being goshdarn pushovers, and vote for Trixie.

Kriswest Iā€™ve come to view you as the ILP grandma. I imagine you knitting a sweater over your keyboard.

Donā€™t feel badā€¦

:slight_smile: hon, I barely know how to cook, knitting was not part of growing up. Repairing vehicles, working outside, fishing , hiking. A Tomboy , much to my motherā€™s dismay. :slight_smile: