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Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:24 am
by waechter418
for example: we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:07 am
by One Liner
Nothing has really changed since then (people are born, they live and then they die).

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:08 pm
by Ierrellus
waechter418 wrote:for example: we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.

If obsolete, with what would you replace it?

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:00 pm
by Carleas
waechter418 wrote:we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.

Yeah, but they were using software that was designed millions of years before that by a bunch of chimps.

We've been outpacing our programming for a long time. We're machines that get programmed incrementally over the course of a lifetime, so even though that meant programming for shepherding 3000 years ago, it means programming for working at Walmart today, and the system that underlies it is still good for both.

So, no, I don't think people as a whole operate with obsolete software. But individuals do. People get programmed for the worlds their parents lived in, and more and more even the world a person is born into is gone by adulthood.

So if our software is obsolete, it is in that it doesn't adapt as quickly as it should. But we're solving that problem through technology. Time will tell if we survive, and vindicate our programming.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:58 pm
by Is_Yde_opN
waechter418 wrote:for example: we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.


Not every software is suited for every hardware.
With a significant change in software comes a significant change in demographics and vice versa.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:56 pm
by One Liner
Has our hardware changed significantly?

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:15 pm
by Is_Yde_opN
One Liner wrote:Has our hardware changed significantly?


There are periods where change is slower and periods where change is quicker in regards to observed phenomena.
Depending on which kinds of people you are referring to in that time period, change was significant for the amount of time.
Which coincides with the spread of said software to those people.

As for Abrahamic religions, I think they are multi-generational pyramid schemes which need fresh meat, fresh zealots, fresh consumers constantly.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:50 pm
by One Liner
I don't understand what hardware has changed.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:04 am
by waechter418
Ierrellus wrote:
waechter418 wrote:for example: we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.

If obsolete, with what would you replace it?

WE have to design software (i.e. our selfs) that can handle our current internal & external conditions.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:05 am
by waechter418
One Liner wrote:I don't understand what hardware has changed.

Obviously very little

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:18 am
by Is_Yde_opN
One Liner wrote:I don't understand what hardware has changed.


Ignorance is blissful for you.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:44 am
by One Liner
Is_Yde_opN wrote:Ignorance is blissful for you.

Can you throw me into a pit of suffering and despair by enlightening me about human-hardware changes in past 3000 years.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:53 pm
by waechter418
There appear to be three principal attitudes towards the programs we are subjugated to:
- indifference/ignorance
- helplessness/apologies
- investigation/alteration

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:17 pm
by waechter418
With “software” I had the softness of our gray mass and minds in mind, and not the world of Microsoft & Co.
The intent is to stimulate inquiries into the parameters we use to relate ourselves with, and not only those designed by Judaic/Christian priests – although they still seem to play important roles in western cultures – but to investigate the economical, political, social, scientific etc. frameworks we design in order to regulate/control our life.
I do not expect a post like this to find much response in an age where it seems fashionable to subject oneself uncritical to media - consumer research – silicon valley – political - scientific - and whatever else - programs (probably because they eliminate personal responsibility) not to forget those which are to get people used to the idea to become robots.
(A recently published 5 years study by the Stanford University comes to the conclusion that 75% of the activities of US & 68% of EU citizens are all ready robot like)

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:00 am
by WendyDarling
I'm still not getting what you mean by software created 3000 years ago when the issue is more about hardware anyways. Hidden hardware that most people bots can't grasp. That hidden hardware is causing many problems trapping folks in perpetual loops. So who is going to figure out this mobius strip we call reality, history, science, blah, blah, blah? I, for one, am getting tired of repeating this process with people bots convinced that I'm a disease of inanities, that I've lost my grip (or if I ever had it), while they're holding onto the past blinds them, distracts them from breaking out of the Mobius Strip.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:45 am
by WendyDarling
Where are the geniuses? Piddle-diddling in their secret labs? Join and PM me if you have even the slightest clue about the hidden hardware of which I speak, or Mobius Strips looping infinitely.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:40 am
by WendyDarling
Ec,

Can you carry on a full conversation about the nature of reality rather than play games, Ecmandu? I know that you're not as off as the rest think you are. Always threads of truth to be found sometimes in the least likely places and I pay attention. Let's chat. :D

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:13 am
by Kriswest
Present day diets, chemicals and medicine has changed not just our bodies but, how the brain functions.. Probably should add entertainment as well.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:57 pm
by fuse
sprouty wrote:We are a conscious, intelligent, and adaptive species, and yes human culture updates and we move through social revolutions with all the passion and feeling of our hearts. In a way, though, culture and social revolution is fad. We need to perpetually adopt the attitude that works now. And now. And then now.

Mental invention - whether by new prescription, taboo, or social identity - is our greatest means of augmenting such dated biology, such legacy hardware, i.e. the successful genetic material of yesteryear from which we emerge. Evolution, in the traditional sense, of human beings, is slow. Yet we can change worldview, sense of self, of other, in minutes if inspiration strikes -- but these are not true bug-fixes and are always retrofit over top of outdated hardware, and the original firmware built into it. Instinct, fight or flight response, threat assessment, pre-conscious discrimination - this is what is included in our firmware. It isn't ideal, but we don't work without it and cannot simply overwrite it. Software, like culture and ideology, on the other hand, is cheap, let's say. We can adjust to the changing social climate by internalizing new attitudes and perspectives, and, on some level, social paradigms change from decade to decade, century to century, era to era. Yet in thousands of years, we really are not fundamentally different than pre-civilized human beings.

Although I welcome social progress and dare not take it for granted, I also see it as a type of illusion. All this to say there may be some serious limitations to how honest and authentic we can be about who we are and what our deepest impulses are. The pre-conscious processes are so continuously and necessarily obscured by modem social consciousness. Consciousness is such a complex web that the more I think about it, the idea of being honest with oneself starts to appear absurd. I normally approach these issues with a natural, maybe naive, positivity, but at the moment I have to deal with a well of cynicism as deep as they come.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:44 pm
by Amorphos
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I think we can only be running with contemporary software, where if we consider that the software only occurs after birth. The instinctual would be the hardware. At most the constantly updating software is as old as we have existed in this life. But the hardware, well it takes many hundreds of years for genetic changes to occur [apart from generational randomness etc], so I guess we are like our ancestors in that respect, and probably feel like that at heart.

Given a long enough duration though, i'd expect that to change. After all, at some point the ancestors will be us, and our software will have changed that hardware.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:56 pm
by Arminius
waechter418 wrote:for example: we still do use (voluntarily or not) a software that was designed 3000 years ago by shepherds in the middle eastern deserts.

Not 3000 but 6000 years ago, beacuse the urbanization began about 6000 years ago.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:01 pm
by Arminius
One Liner wrote:Has our hardware changed significantly?

The "hardware" has not changed much, but the "software" has changed very much.

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:07 pm
by Arminius
waechter418 wrote:With “software” I had the softness of our gray mass and minds in mind, and not the world of Microsoft & Co.
The intent is to stimulate inquiries into the parameters we use to relate ourselves with, and not only those designed by Judaic/Christian priests – although they still seem to play important roles in western cultures – but to investigate the economical, political, social, scientific etc. frameworks we design in order to regulate/control our life.
I do not expect a post like this to find much response in an age where it seems fashionable to subject oneself uncritical to media - consumer research – silicon valley – political - scientific - and whatever else - programs (probably because they eliminate personal responsibility) not to forget those which are to get people used to the idea to become robots.
(A recently published 5 years study by the Stanford University comes to the conclusion that 75% of the activities of US & 68% of EU citizens are all ready robot like)

Do you mean "brainwashing" when you use the word "software"?

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:29 pm
by waechter418
"Brainwashing" might be responsible for some of the above replies - but thats for their authors to judge - i only try to remind that the 3 monkey attitude might get us to drown in our own s... :shock: .

Re: Do we operate with obsolete software?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:05 am
by waechter418
The most common, yet rarely investigated, softwares are the social, political, economical, national & other conventions that are based on belief.