The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

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The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 11:35 am

The Meaning of Life.

Does life make sense? If so: What sense does it make?

Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Is there any goal of life? If so: What goal is it?

Please explain how you interpret the meaning of life.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Only_Humean » Mon May 09, 2016 12:24 pm

Before I answer... do you mean does it make sense/have a goal/etc to me, or does it have a sense/goal etc to be discovered?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 1:59 pm

Only_Humean wrote:Before I answer... do you mean does it make sense/have a goal/etc to me, or does it have a sense/goal etc to be discovered?

As you will. I mean whether life makes sense or not. You can and should interpret it as you like, but you should explain it.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 09, 2016 2:15 pm

Nothing can ever exist unless and until it "makes sense" to do so.


... depending on how much sense you personally have, of course. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Leyla » Mon May 09, 2016 4:30 pm

Arminius wrote:The Meaning of Life.
Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Making it stable. Learning how to solve problems/conflicts of any kind, and how to avoid them.
I.e. finding the balance.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Along The Way » Mon May 09, 2016 4:46 pm

As James said, nothing comes into existence unless it "makes sense" to do so.

Intelligence is the basis of everything.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 9:12 pm

Leyla wrote:
Arminius wrote:The Meaning of Life.
Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Making it stable. Learning how to solve problems/conflicts of any kind, and how to avoid them.
I.e. finding the balance.

We have our genetic program, our self-preservation, our instincts, our drives, our reproduction (dis)interest, our desires, our will, and - of course - our culture and technology, based on our intelligence, which is mainly (70-80%) determined by our genetic program. So when problems and conflicts of any kind occur, we have to solve them, i.e by finding a balance in order to make life stable - would you agree if someone called this "health"?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Mon May 09, 2016 9:17 pm

Does life make sense? If so: What sense does it make?

Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Is there any goal of life? If so: What goal is it?

Please explain how you interpret the meaning of life.


Perfect sense.

To live.

To live.

If your purpose and meaning is to live, then to live you must experience; to experience is to live; death is a part of life, so live until you die. You can not live until after you die, that's impossible, unless you come back to life, in which case you live more and experience more. Everything else is everything else, but most of life comes down to living and experiencing.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 9:25 pm

Along The Way wrote:Intelligence is the basis of everything.

Do you go so far and say that intelligence is the meaning of life?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Mon May 09, 2016 9:27 pm

Arminius wrote:
Along The Way wrote:Intelligence is the basis of everything.

Do you go so far and say that intelligence is the meaning of life?


What about when you become so intelligent that you can't enjoy life anymore? How do you dumb yourself up to enjoy it again?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 9:36 pm

Random Factor wrote:
Does life make sense? If so: What sense does it make?

Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Is there any goal of life? If so: What goal is it?

Please explain how you interpret the meaning of life.


Perfect sense.

To live.

To live.

If your purpose and meaning is to live, then to live you must experience; to experience is to live; death is a part of life, so live until you die. You can not live until after you die, that's impossible, unless you come back to life, in which case you live more and experience more. Everything else is everything else, but most of life comes down to living and experiencing.

So you are saying that the purpose and meaning of life is to live resp. to experience.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Mon May 09, 2016 9:43 pm

Arminius wrote:
Random Factor wrote:
Does life make sense? If so: What sense does it make?

Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Is there any goal of life? If so: What goal is it?

Please explain how you interpret the meaning of life.


Perfect sense.

To live.

To live.

If your purpose and meaning is to live, then to live you must experience; to experience is to live; death is a part of life, so live until you die. You can not live until after you die, that's impossible, unless you come back to life, in which case you live more and experience more. Everything else is everything else, but most of life comes down to living and experiencing.

So you are saying that the purpose and meaning of life is to live resp. to experience.


to pare it down to the essential aspect of it, yes.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 9:54 pm

Random Factor wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Along The Way wrote:Intelligence is the basis of everything.

Do you go so far and say that intelligence is the meaning of life?


What about when you become so intelligent that you can't enjoy life anymore? How do you dumb yourself up to enjoy it again?

Some intelligent people have been doing it by taking drugs. :-k

Would you say that enjoyment is a or even the meaning of life?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon May 09, 2016 10:54 pm

What about LOVE?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 09, 2016 11:23 pm

Arminius wrote:What about LOVE?

Love is the opposite of Evol. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Leyla » Mon May 09, 2016 11:31 pm

Arminius wrote:
Leyla wrote:
Arminius wrote:The Meaning of Life.
Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Making it stable. Learning how to solve problems/conflicts of any kind, and how to avoid them.
I.e. finding the balance.

We have our genetic program, our self-preservation, our instincts, our drives, our reproduction (dis)interest, our desires, our will, and - of course - our culture and technology, based on our intelligence, which is mainly (70-80%) determined by our genetic program. So when problems and conflicts of any kind occur, we have to solve them, i.e by finding a balance in order to make life stable - would you agree if someone called this "health"?

Yes, you can call it health, if you see it as an ongoing development, a process. Health, balance, (inner) harmony is essentially all the same.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 09, 2016 11:34 pm

Random Factor wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Along The Way wrote:Intelligence is the basis of everything.

Do you go so far and say that intelligence is the meaning of life?


What about when you become so intelligent that you can't enjoy life anymore? How do you dumb yourself up to enjoy it again?

Use the intelligence to discern wisdom from intelligence, then seek wisdom. Enjoyment follows.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Meno_ » Tue May 10, 2016 1:34 am

Along The Way wrote:As James said, nothing comes into existence unless it "makes sense" to do so.

Intelligence is the basis of everything.



Everything makes sense if finally it's realized if we acted differently things would turn out differently. Then and only then, on basis of this understanding, can sensible meaning to life be achieved.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Tue May 10, 2016 2:04 am

The universe is chaotic and unstable therefore life also is chaotic and unstable.
Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Mowk » Tue May 10, 2016 3:37 am

Arminius wrote:The Meaning of Life.

Does life make sense? If so: What sense does it make?

Is there any purpose of life? If so: What purpose is it?

Is there any goal of life? If so: What goal is it?

Please explain how you interpret the meaning of life.


Assumes life has meaning. I can agree to the assumption because... 1) Life is. 2) There are also examples of not life. Both in the case of loss of what was and is no longer and in the case of never having been. I'm guessing this relationship implies meaning, although I do not guess what it is. It has meaning, but I'm not sure what.

It makes sense from the stand point that it operates within a given set of physical/environmental conditions. Life has requirements that appear quantifiable. There is a need for this much oxygen, food, water, that is dependent on activity and the environment the activity takes place in.

Purpose? Now isn't that a loaded question? May be difficult to adequately define purpose objectively enough? I'd default to the observation standpoint that life grows; inclusive is the potential to develop into something more then what the life currently is. To gather together into greater capacity.

I'm not sure one can plop the notion of a goal on it all. Goals are all about getting from where you are to where you want to be. I'm not so sure all life is aware of the distinction. Some of it is still figuring it out as it comes along it.

It makes sense because there is a sequential history. Development operates within a sequence that places cause before effect. At least it looks that way. You don't get to a multi-cellular life form without passing through a single cell, evolutionary. A new idea always emerges from an existing idea. I don't see much evidence of getting to complex without passing through simple.

Moral imperatives of purpose aside, cause "life" is amoral. Unless of course you are looking for meaning in morality or morality in meaning.

We are limited to a set knowledge regarding life. We have no other examples of life then what we have as yet experienced. I'm pretty sure what ever the universe comes up with will have evolved from simple to complex just as life on this planet has. Given circumstances being equal (same physical laws) I'd guess all life progresses along a continuum limited by the requirements of what it means to grow.

Not all members of an example of life must exhibit it, but enough have to. Enough to continue the trend.

Life is trending on Unibook. Is it becoming observably less diverse though?

Perhaps that has some meaning?
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Mowk » Tue May 10, 2016 3:44 am

Or you could be asking specifically regarding human life, and then I'd say... lot's a luck. We've become too complex to see things that simply. Thanks gods.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Only_Humean » Tue May 10, 2016 8:46 am

Random Factor wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Along The Way wrote:Intelligence is the basis of everything.

Do you go so far and say that intelligence is the meaning of life?


What about when you become so intelligent that you can't enjoy life anymore? How do you dumb yourself up to enjoy it again?


Perhaps that's a sign that you're not as intelligent as you think.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Only_Humean » Tue May 10, 2016 8:51 am

Arminius wrote:
Only_Humean wrote:Before I answer... do you mean does it make sense/have a goal/etc to me, or does it have a sense/goal etc to be discovered?

As you will. I mean whether life makes sense or not. You can and should interpret it as you like, but you should explain it.


I think life can make sense, or can be confusing and senseless. I think there is sense to be found, purpose to be had. But I think that philosophy can obscure things, like the toddler asking "why?" - the sense and purpose is in the concrete and the doing, and not the abstraction and the conceptualisation. In this sense, I may be the opposite to some earlier posters.

Life, our existence, is the given with which we have to learn to cope. We need to think, and think well, to do so. But thinking well is not the purpose of living; living well is the goal of thinking.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Tue May 10, 2016 1:43 pm

I'm saying that no matter how hard you try, you can not enjoy every aspect of life and shouldn't try to. You can not be happy all the time, you can not have what you want all the time, especially if what you want conflicts with what others want. You can't even get what you need all the time, which is part of the enjoyment factor.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Tue May 10, 2016 2:00 pm

Certainly we make meaning for ourselves in life but concerning objective meaning or purpose I still stand by that the universe is so very unstable, chaotic, and constantly changing that to postulate one is nonsensical.
Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable.

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