The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

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Does life make sense?

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:06 pm

If life ever makes nonsense, then know that the truest sense has already been made and it still didn't make sense without the nonsense.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:58 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

I am afraid that that is not 100% true.

It is still a bit questionable whether "randomness is understood" and whether "statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:37 am

Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:53 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: "Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ...."

Questions about the meaning of life do not have to, but can even become more important in that case.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:44 am

Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..."

Questions about the meaning of life do not have to, but can even become more important in that case.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:55 am

oops! ... suppose there is no rational connection to previous posts.

Scanning the recent posts reminds me of Nietzsche ... and I know frightfully little about the man or his writings.

Here's my take on the man ...

1) His raison d'etre ... his life's purpose ... the meaning of his life ... was ---> attempt to put the final nail in the coffin of God ... the coffin science had been building ... and nailing shut ... for centuries.

2) The people of his day wanted this ... they were fed up with all the dribble about God ... whatever/whoever He/She/It was.

3) Nietzsche achieved his life's purpose ... subsequent generations found ... personally experienced ... the meaning(less) of life ... the purpose(less) of life ... the direction(less) of life ... ergo nihilism.

4) If history has any value ... this is a recurring pattern ... and the result is almost always the same. God suddenly and viciously inflicts a severe punishment.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:14 am

Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:
Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..
Questions about the meaning of life do not have to but can even become more important in that case

There cannot be any objective meaning to life if it occurred randomly which it did. Even if life did not occur randomly
that would still not imply meaning. Asking what is the meaning of life is a loaded question because it assumes there is
a meaning. If it could be objectively determined then it would be known. But it cannot because it is purely subjective
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:36 am

Life could appear to have sense going foreward with the idea of having or gaining a will to power the need to develop more control over the choices a person takes to make sense.

In retrospect, even though people tend to remember mostly good events in their lifetime, a lucid and good memory serves well to negate that optimistism.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:42 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:
Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..
Questions about the meaning of life do not have to but can even become more important in that case

There cannot be any objective meaning to life if it occurred randomly which it did. Even if life did not occur randomly
that would still not imply meaning. Asking what is the meaning of life is a loaded question because it assumes there is
a meaning. If it could be objectively determined then it would be known. But it cannot because it is purely subjective

No, or let us say: that is only half a truth (if "half a truth" is possible at all). You do not know whether life is "occured randomly" or not (##). The question whether there is a meaning of life does always make sense, and people always ask this question. It does not assume that "there is a meaning", as you suggest (probably because you yourself assume that there is no meaning). It is just a question. Everyone may find an answer to this question, regardless which answer it is. An objevctive answer is possible too (I am not saying that I know this answer for sure). That is the reason why I opened this thread.

If you assume that there is no meanig of life for you, then just say that there is "no meaning of life for you" (again: for you!). You have no objective - but only a subjective (##) - argument against those who say that there is an objective meaning of life. There is no proof of the thesis that there is no meaning of life.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:23 am

The conditions which allowed life to evolve were most definitely random. As the number of variables and the time scale involved
are evidence of this. Now given how this is entirely fortuitous there can be no objective meaning to life as such. Because if it did
not evolve [ something that was entirely possible ] then such a meaning could simply not exist. But the fact that it did is entirely
incidental because as soon as the human race becomes extinct then so too will notions of meaning both subjective and objective
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Kathrina » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:57 pm

Randomness has not much to do with the question whether life makes sense. It is a fact that life is everywhere in the universe where it has got a chance. Our universe tends to life.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:03 am

Arminius wrote:
MagsJ wrote:To me.. life makes sense, but not our existence.

But, Mags ( :P ), how can life make sense to you and your existence not make sense to you?

All life is existence, but not all existence is life.

So: If your existence is senseless, then your your life is senseless too. Or (the other way around): If your existence makes sense, then your life makes sense too.

Have a nice existence by having a nice life. :)
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Arminius wrote:But, Mags ( :P ), how can life make sense to you and your existence not make sense to you?

Because Arminius ( ;) ), 'our' existence as a species is an odd rarity, and the reason and purpose for that existence still an unknown... if everything has purpose, what is ours? beyond a life that makes sense, but an existence that does not.

All life is existence, but not all existence is life.

So: If your existence is senseless, then your your life is senseless too. Or (the other way around): If your existence makes sense, then your life makes sense too.

Have a nice existence by having a nice life. :)
One is not dependent on the other to make sense... whilst living our lives, most always have a feeling that there is more/meant to be more than the existence the human race has mapped out for itself.. an action plan that none of us actually signed up to, or perhaps the only prerequisite for this is birth.

Humans as a whole exist, but for what?

So you are saying that the life of the human species makes no sense, whereas the life of a single human being makes sense, at least for you. So perhaps we have to distinguish between evolution and history, between nature and culture or a person. Then the answer to the question of the meaning of life has indeed two sides. A person or a couple, a family, a kin, a clan, a tribe, a nation, a culture can have a goal, so that life makes sense, probably because of getting respect, the will to power, or/and just because of each moment. This could also mean that the life of the human species makes sense. But can we know that for sure? Maybe there is only a subjective answer possible, an answer of a person, a couple, a family, a kin, a clan, a tribe, a nation, a culture - if each of them is a subject. The objective meaning could be the framework condition of evolution or nature, for example the fight against the entropy, or the completion, the achievement, the perfection of what was set or placed with its earliest beginning, the fertilizaition, conception.

The human species is merely a zoological concept. But a human as a person or humans as another subject - like a couple, a family, a kin, a clan, a tribe, a nation, a culture - can have, should have and often do have a goal which shows that their life makes sense, has a meaning.

By the way: It is possible too that the „Brexit“ can become a meaning of life to you, if you spend your life time with it (and - perhaps - get power because of it). :)

Kathrina wrote:Randomness has not much to do with the question whether life makes sense. It is a fact that life is everywhere in the universe where it has got a chance. Our universe tends to life.

Agreed.
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