The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

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Does life make sense?

Yes.
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No.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:06 pm

If life ever makes nonsense, then know that the truest sense has already been made and it still didn't make sense without the nonsense.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:58 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

I am afraid that that is not 100% true.

It is still a bit questionable whether "randomness is understood" and whether "statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:37 am

Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:53 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: "Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ...."

Questions about the meaning of life do not have to, but can even become more important in that case.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:44 am

Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..."

Questions about the meaning of life do not have to, but can even become more important in that case.
"Do not be influenced by the importance of the writer, and whether his learning be great or small; but let the love of pure truth draw you to read. Do not inquire, “Who said this?” but pay attention to what is said”

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:55 am

oops! ... suppose there is no rational connection to previous posts.

Scanning the recent posts reminds me of Nietzsche ... and I know frightfully little about the man or his writings.

Here's my take on the man ...

1) His raison d'etre ... his life's purpose ... the meaning of his life ... was ---> attempt to put the final nail in the coffin of God ... the coffin science had been building ... and nailing shut ... for centuries.

2) The people of his day wanted this ... they were fed up with all the dribble about God ... whatever/whoever He/She/It was.

3) Nietzsche achieved his life's purpose ... subsequent generations found ... personally experienced ... the meaning(less) of life ... the purpose(less) of life ... the direction(less) of life ... ergo nihilism.

4) If history has any value ... this is a recurring pattern ... and the result is almost always the same. God suddenly and viciously inflicts a severe punishment.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:14 am

Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:
Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..
Questions about the meaning of life do not have to but can even become more important in that case

There cannot be any objective meaning to life if it occurred randomly which it did. Even if life did not occur randomly
that would still not imply meaning. Asking what is the meaning of life is a loaded question because it assumes there is
a meaning. If it could be objectively determined then it would be known. But it cannot because it is purely subjective
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby jerkey » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:36 am

Life could appear to have sense going foreward with the idea of having or gaining a will to power the need to develop more control over the choices a person takes to make sense.

In retrospect, even though people tend to remember mostly good events in their lifetime, a lucid and good memory serves well to negate that optimistism.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:42 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Arminius wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

surreptitious57 wrote:
Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous ..
Questions about the meaning of life do not have to but can even become more important in that case

There cannot be any objective meaning to life if it occurred randomly which it did. Even if life did not occur randomly
that would still not imply meaning. Asking what is the meaning of life is a loaded question because it assumes there is
a meaning. If it could be objectively determined then it would be known. But it cannot because it is purely subjective

No, or let us say: that is only half a truth (if "half a truth" is possible at all). You do not know whether life is "occured randomly" or not (##). The question whether there is a meaning of life does always make sense, and people always ask this question. It does not assume that "there is a meaning", as you suggest (probably because you yourself assume that there is no meaning). It is just a question. Everyone may find an answer to this question, regardless which answer it is. An objevctive answer is possible too (I am not saying that I know this answer for sure). That is the reason why I opened this thread.

If you assume that there is no meanig of life for you, then just say that there is "no meaning of life for you" (again: for you!). You have no objective - but only a subjective (##) - argument against those who say that there is an objective meaning of life. There is no proof of the thesis that there is no meaning of life.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:23 am

The conditions which allowed life to evolve were most definitely random. As the number of variables and the time scale involved
are evidence of this. Now given how this is entirely fortuitous there can be no objective meaning to life as such. Because if it did
not evolve [ something that was entirely possible ] then such a meaning could simply not exist. But the fact that it did is entirely
incidental because as soon as the human race becomes extinct then so too will notions of meaning both subjective and objective
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