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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun May 28, 2017 7:47 pm

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That's why I always come back to the crucial distinction between that which we believe is true "in our head" "here and now" about these things [relationships] and that which we are able to demonstrate is in fact true for everyone now and forever.
Forever? That's an absurd requirement.

How can you possibly know how humans will evolve in the distant future and what discoveries will be made? Even the hard sciences would not satisfy such a requirement. You're essentially saying that nothing can be demonstrated. =D>


What does it mean to be closed-minded other than to hold onto an opinion for an infinitely long period of time?

Isn't that what Biguous the objectivist used to do in the past? Isn't that what he still wants to do but for some reason can't?

This alone betrays how rigid, how emotionally inflexible, he is. For he is fine with any option so as long he can hold onto it for an infinitely long period of time. If he cannot have his mind closed for an infinitely long period of time then at least he can have it open for an infinitely long period of time. From one extreme to another. So as long it's an extreme, it's good.

How does a normal person organize his periods of openness to new information (exploration, perception) and closedness (direction, judgment)? Does he not switch between the two periodically? Does he not keep his mind open for a period of time before closing it? And does he not keep his mind closed for a period of time before opening it once again? And how does he determine how long he should keep his mind open before closing it and how long he should keep his mind closed before opening it? Is that not determined by one's nature, by the type of person one has evolved to be, rather than by something external, such as some kind of authority, be it in the human or abstract form?

He considers himself to be the pillar of flexibility but that's only because he exaggerates the significance of his deeds, namely, that of changing his mind from being infinitely closed to being infinitely open. This must be seen in the context of his extreme inflexibility. It must be really impressive for such a rigid man to be able to exercise such a tiny, nearly insignificant, degree of flexibility.
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby iambiguous » Sun May 28, 2017 8:36 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:If you want me to do X you must know what X is otherwise how can you judge whether I did X or not?

Thus, if you want me to demonstrate that an opinion is "true for all of us" you must already know what "true for all of us" means otherwise you cannot measure my performance.

Because what you're doing here is asking me to demonstrate that some moral opinion of mine is "true for all of us" you must already know what "true for all of us" means.

What does it mean? What does "true for all of us" mean? You keep evading this question.

And yes, I do honestly think you are severely retarded. The very fact that I have so much trouble explaining this very basic stuff to you is a proof.

Note that telling others lies about me while speaking to me is a rude gesture one worthy of a very aggressive retort. Your preemptive measures against my aggression are funny (and pathetic.)

What makes you think that your passive-aggressive behavior, which is the product of your meeknees, which you share with Gib, and which is why the two of you get along, is better than my aggressive stance?

Nothing other than your emotions.

You must demonize that which makes you insecure.



I'm sure going to miss gib... :wink:
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby gib » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:46 am

iambiguous wrote:I'm sure going to miss gib... :wink:


Well, guess what, I'm back! :lol:
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Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:53 pm

gib wrote:
iambiguous wrote:I'm sure going to miss gib... :wink:


Well, guess what, I'm back! :lol:



Gib? Yeah, that name does sound familiar. :wink:
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby gib » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:55 pm

iambiguous wrote:Gib? Yeah, that name does sound familiar. :wink:


How are things?
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:55 pm

gib wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Gib? Yeah, that name does sound familiar. :wink:


How are things?


Well, regarding prong #1, I'm still largely, uh, "uninformed". And, regarding prong #2, I'm still grimly hoisted on my own petard.

On the other hand, given that I am increasingly tugged in the direction of a wholly determined universe, it's not like it could have ever been any other way.

Right? :wink:
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Re: Making iambiguous's day

Postby gib » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:48 am

iambiguous wrote:Well, regarding prong #1, I'm still largely, uh, "uninformed". And, regarding prong #2, I'm still grimly hoisted on my own petard.

On the other hand, given that I am increasingly tugged in the direction of a wholly determined universe, it's not like it could have ever been any other way.

Right? :wink:


Hmmm... how 'bout other than in terms of your dilemma? How's work?
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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