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Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:36 pm

Truth is not the criterion, as something as clear as the desert sky or water from a well on a remote mountain can never be captured by the concept truth. The best way to see why that is is that there is no space for any kind of falsity. There is experience in a pure flux, clarity, the absence of need for identification in terms. Once we term things, falsity and truth become issues. As long as I look at the sky from this desert I don't need any terms. I drink the water that the planet gifts in silence, but when I walk down the mountain or approach the oasis, the words come to me. I mean to introduce a silence into the minds that have only known the clattering of sandal heels and canned tomato sauce.

A truth is only good as long as it's fresh.
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Dan~ » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:18 am

I feel similar. Truth is everywhere and inside and all around all things. I think it's always fresh and timeless.
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:26 am

What does the word Truth mean, to you?

Does a thing like for example, love, have to do with truth? And if so, what?

We're always being bombarded with calls to be truthful and about the truth of our hearts and all that. But of course in a state of love or passion, which are strong forms of valuing, Truthfulness in the logical sense is often the first thing that goes out of the window.

So it seems that there are different types of truth which may contradict each other.
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Dan~ » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:01 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:What does the word Truth mean, to you?

Does a thing like for example, love, have to do with truth? And if so, what?

We're always being bombarded with calls to be truthful and about the truth of our hearts and all that. But of course in a state of love or passion, which are strong forms of valuing, Truthfulness in the logical sense is often the first thing that goes out of the window.

So it seems that there are different types of truth which may contradict each other.

Yes. The word truth to me, has a ton of different meanings.
We must remember there is here just humans, words, thoughts, etc. and nothing besides.
So when we talk about contradiction, contradiction is something that is a part of the human being.
This does not exactly mean that the whole universe is a lie or a contradiction.
We are the looking device. We are the perception.
The flaws we see are flaws of our self, in a lot of ways. Not always, but often.
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby James S Saint » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:16 pm

Truth is any one of the many internally consistent ontologies that also consistently relate to objective experience.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
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Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Ben JS » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:48 am

Truth, information, intelligence - These are only relevant if one has intent.

Without intent, they're all irrelevant and have nothing to offer. We need not embrace, reject, seek or refine them.

Language is a means to communicate. We have have far greater means to communicate internally than language. Assuming you've no will to alter the environment or put yourself into a fit position for survival, you need not concern yourself with any of it.

False is on the same ground as truth. You can't say truth in it's entirety is bullshit without saying falsity is bullshit with it.

They're both means to an end.

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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:03 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Truth is not the criterion, as something as clear as the desert sky or water from a well on a remote mountain can never be captured by the concept truth. The best way to see why that is is that there is no space for any kind of falsity. There is experience in a pure flux, clarity, the absence of need for identification in terms. Once we term things, falsity and truth become issues. As long as I look at the sky from this desert I don't need any terms. I mean to introduce a silence into the minds that have only known the clattering of sandal heels and canned tomato sauce.

A truth is only good as long as it's fresh.


Truth is like poetry in motion. It only becomes real and alive when it is lived - when the realization of some particular truth gives way to the human experience of action or response.

I drink the water that the planet gifts in silence, but when I walk down the mountain or approach the oasis, the words come to me.

What truth do they speak to you?
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:53 pm

Dan~ wrote:Truth is everywhere and inside and all around all things. I think it's always fresh and timeless.

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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby surreptitious75 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:16 pm


Truth is simply what is so is immune to any kind of interpretation
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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:10 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Truth is simply what is so is immune to any kind of interpretation


I like this definition. It speaks to me.
It points to Truth as having much more value than simply our own subjective thinking albeit that can also be part of truth.

I suppose that Truth is one of those concepts like beauty - it lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Truth beyond expiration -- there is truth though - profound, priceless, highly meaningful - which does change when meaning changes, when our perspectives change.

But I wonder - is this truth any less "real" than before it came to change?

Where does truth go when it has lost its meaning?
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Truth Beyond Expiration

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:24 am

Truth can never lose its meaning because if it did then it could not be what it is
Which is existence and everything within it which is all there is and ever will be
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