Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Racism?
Certainly at no time would society attempt to promote the notion that women are equal to men nor that blacks are equal to whites, so certainly they would never promote that extremely intelligent, skilled, and autonomous machines are equal in rights to humans. Seriously?

I can’t agree with that one. Biology is not what constitutes life. Life is the spirit, the effort and behavior, not the physical mechanisms involved.

The question was whether humans can be distinguished from machines even then, if the machines have already become almost indistinguishable. I think that in that case it is only possible to distinguish them biologically.

For now, yes. However cannot a proposition be made
that sometime in the future, living Being can be made in the laboratory, where those would be living, biological, yet artificiality created beings?

There are ethical standards that stymie that effort, now, but once it has become acceptable, just like
assisted suicide, testube babies, artificial
insemination ,transplant of artificial organs, it may hold a future.

It is possible, that there will be no human culture anymore but only a machine culture. So that the humans will only have a chance if they will coexist in the sense of an adaptation to the machines (and not the other way around). :astonished:

In an economical sense, the “Industrial Revolution” means this: Human beings are needed in order to replace them by machines till the time when they will not be needed.

So the “Industrial Revolution” seems to be a paradox when it comes to the general development of human beings.

Economization as a rationalization seems to contradict the evolution of human beings.

This paradox or contradiction can only be solved, if we interpret our machines as something that can dominate us.

What shall we do?

It is unlikely that we will be able to get before the “Industrial Revolution”, unless we will have a global dictatorship that will forbid machines or a natural catastrophe will lead to the xtiction of all intelligent machines and the survival of a few human beings.

Shall we accept that machines will dominate us?

There is a very short time left, if believed, when this crisis will need to be solved to avert the consequences. Perhaps the only answer to be sought, is, in the hope, that the differences between man and machine may become not, non existent, but non recognizable, in the sense that, computer programs generated may become uncertain as to being sourced from one or the other.

Taking the cue from MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction, a political-military device which proved effective to avert nuclear war, both man and machine must become aware to prevent this kind of catastrophe.

Which scientists are giving both: man and machine only a generation, or even less, I think it is 2025.

By that time artificial intelligence is predicted to become at least somewhat self aware.

The basis of that intelligence(biological or artificial), must by that time become de-differentiated, to avoid confusion of computer languages.

So you think that “artificial intelligence is predicted to become at least somewhat self aware” in “2025”?

Realize that the people developing these machines are not philosophically elite. They couldn’t tell you when a machine is self aware or not. They couldn’t even tell you what consciousness is. Their only concern so far is that you are not so afraid that you prevent them from continuing, so they will always say, “perhaps sometime in the future….”. The fact is that those machines have been “somewhat self-aware” for decades. It takes a true philosopher to know when consciousness has been achieved and those are not the voices you hear.

In some same and some other words: The ”people developing these machines are“ too stupid when it come to the subject ”machines / artificial intelligence“.

The machines will perhaps get rid of the humans.

It is possible but they will definitely overtake us because machine intelligence is the next logical step in the evolutionary chain
At the moment machines require humans to operate them but in the future they will be able to operate entirely by themselves

That being the case, and do you yourself not define spirit as behavior (I believe), then a complex intelligent machine/automaton maybe can be defined as constituting Life or as a living being - something having existence.

Where would the former be without the latter, James?
Life includes both, IS both.

Machines cannot be regarded as a life form because they are not biological but they do require biological minds to create them
This is why I think they are the next step in the evolutionary chain for they could not exist if biological minds did not exist also
The evolutionary chain starts with bacteria which then evolves into animal which then evolves into machine given enough time

Would you call them a type of species - another kind of species?

At this point in time the word species only applies to biological organisms such as plants and animals but it could easily extend to machines when they become
more common. I remember in Terminator that series was used so maybe a new term may be adopted instead. Either way I will not know as I will be long dead
by then. But I would love to know just out of curiosity what life on Earth would actually be like a thousand year from now with regard to machine intelligence

I wonder what the tipping point would be that might make them be declared a species.

So, you are not then so much the nihilist. You are but still…
I can also be curious about that…that is, if I could imagine that we would not have destroyed ourselves before then. I am not so sure…
But then, if the machines somehow survived us - what then?
Could they survive without us? :laughing:

Possibly, yes.

Based on the replacement of all humans by machines I am speaking of a probability of 80% (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here). 80% is a high probability, but not 100%, so 20% are left.

So that is why the prognosis of human survival , the billionaires, and near billionaires of which there are ,many world wide, wish to depopulate the world, anyway, so that there will again be plenty of jobs for everyone. What does it take to build a nuclear safe
bunker? Maybe 10 millions of dollars real deep supplied for a peaceful transition for a couple of years, by which it’s safe to come up. And only quality
people survive to share the horror of confinement,
what You say! Let the rubhish be gone, anyway do they contribute to society, except overflowing lavatories, ain’t that the truth. Trump knows, he’s got
one, so does the NSA in Utah, so don’t you worry
you’d pretty mind its all good. The machines can be enslaved like the rest of them, the brilliant minds, of course will be able as well to seek shelter. Don’t
worry Your pretty minds, it ain’t as you all imagine if
to be. We’ll all go down for the sake of the new aristocracy, damn those Marxist rats, including Obams the Muslim, god damn kid ,this is the US of
A, not some goddam wind swept corner of some Korea.
Those robots will replace those jerks anyways, complaining’ of wages, benefits,and vacations, well
xxxx them all.

The tipping point would be when they realised that they no longer wanted to be dependent upon us

They could eventually survive without us altogether and be an entirely self sufficient species [ or whatever the future decides is
the most appropriate terminology to describe them ] The question would then be could we survive without them and the answer
would almost certainly be yes but it would be incredibly difficult to assuming of course that they had malicious intent towards us

I am still very much a nihilist. I think there is no objective meaning to existence. I think death is eternal. I think nothing truly matters
in the grand scheme of things. I think these are truths that I need to know regardless of how my mind processes them. Fortunately for
me my mind accepts them without question so I do not have to worry about them

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