The ultimate device

Amorphos · March 9, 2013, 2:20pm

The ultimate device

Instead of seeking solutions to the problems involved in creation/causality, via knowledge and understanding, I have moved to this idea; that existence is a result of the ultimate device! We could perhaps say that that is god or nature/device, yet for me we would have to un-include virtually everything we know concerning such things.

Let’s make a very simply analogy; if the device that churns out universe was a cement mixer, and energy the materials, the result would be concrete [existence/universe]. Yet we cannot look at the concrete and say what created it if we couldn’t see the mixer, and we wouldn’t be able to see it because it is distinct [an abstraction] from the concrete it makes [that we are part of that concrete]. Equally, once the concrete is poured it has its own causality ~ and one which is not necessarily contained in the mixer/device.

There are distinct abstracting elements to this, which collectively equate as reality…

As like; cement mixer + motion + materials = concrete, the ultimate device + information + energy = universe.

We simply have a cement mixer which never starts nor stops. Existence is a projection of cyclic information, the ultimate device exists in the non-physical ‘pre-universe’ [tm lol] between quantum states and has no spatial locations. It constantly creates [or makes utility of energy] the projected universe where quantum states then exist, and can take shape and form. In order to achieve this it must have its own meaning i.e. the nature of the device, to form the basic construction set. It must also be able to relate to informations made [existence] so as to manifest quantum locations and particles accordingly [hence is cyclic with an eternal basis of information] such that universe as what it is and changes relative to said informations [it is not static/ must change/evolve].

Only I could devise a solution that leaves us with all the same problems we had before

This idea originated from this [on Chester’s, ‘no chance’ thread]…

Amorphos:

That’s an interesting one, ~ that chance doesn’t exist. There must be the necessary informations for the formation of singularity or whatever ultimately begins things. Then that is a logical contradiction, because you always have to have the pre-information, prior to the manifestation of a thing - ad infinitum.
Ultimately that surely means that all information is ‘there’ ~ infinitely. …because we cannot keep building up in stages [of pre-info] leaving an ever infinite amount of such, we just have to jump to the idea of it all being there [same logic as with infinite sets].

Problem is that there is then no room for movement [as with omniscience and omnipotence etc]; if all informations exist there can be no change from one information to another, from one state to another, because the next informational particles/waves will already exist. The whole thing would be a static continuum ~ again a logical contradiction.
The only conclusion i can arrive at is that information itself cannot be absolute, ~ must always be transcending itself, moving in tangents etc. That the base of reality is more fluid than information, such that if we consider information background to be projecting information existentially [in the world], we should then see information as an abstraction of nature [or that base nature].
In short that means existence is not determined, fundamentally there is only chance!

…but i have no idea what that is?..

What is a motion which has no information to move itself by? A will? Then what is a will which equally contains no information to direct it.