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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:35 am

Old_Gobbo wrote::wink:

You hold on too tightly to your perceptions.

''Tis' a shame it would take a demonstration of quotes and such to demonstrate this.

Shame on you, then.
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Gobbo » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:45 am

O.G., Sauwelios is right, only a lacky truly knows his master.



lol. I could care less what you think.


At least on this issue.


re-read and try again cause that doesn't even make sense. It should be Sauwelius, OG is right... etc.
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:50 am

Old_Gobbo wrote:lol. I could care less what you think... that doesn't even make sense. It should be Sauwelius, OG is right... etc.


Lay off the herb dude. You have lost your ability to detect irony.

No master claims to be a follower.
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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:56 am

Dunamis wrote:No master claims to be a follower.

And where did you learn that universal truth?
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:06 am

I do not speak in universal truths. Universals are an anathema produced by discourse. I am not writting syllogisms. All I can say is that anybody who whines about how much he is following someone is nothing more than an ape. And if I was to actually take Nietzsche's concept of truth seriously, I would be embarassed to be caught talking is such a submissive way. The first and last rule of reading Nietzsche is to overcome Nietzsche.
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The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

deus sum, commutavero. eandem hanc, si voltis, faciam ex tragoedia comoedia ut sit omnibus isdem vorsibus. utrum sit an non voltis? -- Amphitryon

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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:25 am

Dunamis wrote:I do not speak in universal truths. Universals are an anathema produced by discourse. I am not writting syllogisms. All I can say is that anybody who whines about how much he is following someone is nothing more than an ape. And if I was to actually take Nietzsche's concept of truth seriously, I would be embarassed to be caught talking is such a submissive way. The first and last rule of reading Nietzsche is to overcome Nietzsche.

And again you conclude with a general statement.

"Humility hath the hardest skin."
[The Stillest Hour.]
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Jakob » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:38 am

Sauwelios wrote:
Dunamis wrote:What is really "amusing" is that you are just participating in one more coddling "belief" that sees "evidence" everywhere, one more bedtime story. How typical of a follower of Nietzsche's.

I shall be proud to be considered a follower of Nietzsche's. I will pursue his philosophy, and see where it leads me.

look faust; this is what I mean. Nietzsche's philosophy is much more powerful and rich to me than he would have if I had not read thousands of Sauwelios' posts. A philosophy is a seed. The plant is it's consequence.
To learn to understand a philosophy, separate from the philosopher (I know what Nietzsche said about that) it is useful to feed it's conseqences back to the philosophy as you know it. For me, nazi germany says as much to me about Nietzsche as do the classical greeks. It's hyperborean quality is it's first noticeable consequence; a physical clash resulting from the bases instincts it recognized, and thereby, activated. History will feed Nietzsche's thoughts back to us, I believe. Nietzsche's sternest thoughts in the most physical form. First the antichrist, we have had him in Hitler. The arrow of longing of Zarathustra will be the next metaphor to realize. Our end is the departure point of Nietzsche's philosophy:
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:49 am

Sauwelios wrote:And again you conclude with a general statement.


When you learn to tell the difference between a rule and a general statement, you will have learned something.

Anyways, I wish you the best of luck in your zeal in following your desire to follow.
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Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

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Postby Dan~ » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:01 am

Jakob wrote:Nietzsche's philosophy is much more powerful and rich to me than he would have if I had not read thousands of Sauwelios' posts.

Like a good little satanist, N. focused always on the removal of suppression from nature's own potentiality.

As the nihilists say: "Stop, stop, stop! This is all meaningless! It deserves to die." Neitzche would have said the opposite, not wanting only one single thing, and thus, always misunderstood by those whom expect N. to have had some single idea, single concept, single morality, single rule.

His writings, in many ways, were his own little forms of black-sabbaths.

Turning away from that which was meant to control all aspects of the sheeple, and protesting against that which pretends to be beyond reality itself.
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:09 am

Dan~ wrote:Like a good little satanist, N. focused always on the removal of suppression from nature's own potentiality.


Its good that you bring up the satanists, for this site has had more than its fair share of them. There is no group of followers I have ever noticed speak, in a more homogeneous and mindless way, than do "satanists". Nietzsheans, satanists, a bunch of people who by and large are mindlessly "unique", as they stare into the mirror telling themselves how unique they are, over and over and over again.
Il mundo è un animal grande e perfetto. – Del senso

The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

deus sum, commutavero. eandem hanc, si voltis, faciam ex tragoedia comoedia ut sit omnibus isdem vorsibus. utrum sit an non voltis? -- Amphitryon

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Postby Gobbo » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:09 am

Lay off the herb dude. You have lost your ability to detect irony.

No master claims to be a follower.


hmm.. Well you are correct about the weed. Yeah, like I said.. if you switch the names it makes sense.

Nietzsheans, satanists, a bunch of people who by and large are mindlessly "unique", as they stare into the mirror telling themselves how unique they are, over and over and over again.


There is a difference between being different from the masses and unique.

Just for edification though, I think Dr. Satanical was a parody.
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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:27 pm

Dunamis wrote:
Sauwelios wrote:And again you conclude with a general statement.


When you learn to tell the difference between a rule and a general statement, you will have learned something.

Do you make the rules, Dunamis? Or do you merely follow them?

You seem to be so naive as to think that a master must be completely independent. My paradox is that the need for freedom is a slavish need. My motto:

Resistance - that is the distinction of the slave. Let your distinction be obedience! Let your commanding itself be obeying!

To the good warrior soundeth "thou shalt" pleasanter than "I will." And all that is dear unto you, ye shall first have it commanded unto you.

Let your love to life be love to your highest hope; and let your highest hope be the highest thought of life!

Your highest thought, however, ye shall have it commanded unto you by me - and it is this: man is something that is to be surpassed.

[Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra, Of War and Warriors.]
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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:31 pm

Note that the original title is Vom Krieg und Kriegsvolke, "Of War and Warfolk". And, though here the word Folk means "people", not "a people", Zarathustra, who is an Antistatist, is for peoples:

"Ye lonesome ones of today, ye seceding ones, ye shall one day be a people: out of you who have chosen yourselves, shall a chosen people arise: - and out of it the Superman."
[Of the Bestowing Virtue, 2.]

A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."

It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life. [Note: they served life - how slavish!]

Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.

[Of the New Idol.]

So the good state would be the state which really serves the interests of the people - or rather, of that which shall grow out of the people: the Superman!

Zarathustra is the supreme Libertarian: he advocates absolute personal freedom and absolute insecurity (what does he care about economics?). Nietzsche himself, however, is the supreme Statist: he advocates the absolute security and absolute commitment of the people to the State:

"To be a public utility, a wheel, a function, for that one must be destined by nature: it is not society, it is the only kind of happiness of which the great majority are capable that makes intelligent machines of them. For the mediocre, to be mediocre is their happiness; mastery of one thing, specialization—a natural instinct."
[The Antichristian, section 57.]

The body of the State consists of the warrior caste: Nietzsche's state is a military state:

"The second: they are the guardians of the law, those who see to order and security, the noble warriors, and above all the king as the highest formula of warrior, judge, and upholder of the law. The second are the executive arm of the most spiritual, that which is closest to them and belongs to them, that which does everything gross [grob, "coarse"] in the work of ruling for them—their retinue, their right hand, their best pupils."
[ibid.]

"The highest men live beyond the rulers, freed from all bonds; and in the rulers they have their instruments."
[The Will to Power, section 998.]

So we see: the highest men have the absolute freedom Zarathustra advocates. And indeed: he directs his speeches to the exceptions:

I need living companions, who will follow me because they want to follow themselves - and to the place where I will. A light hath dawned upon me. Not to the people is Zarathustra to speak, but to companions! Zarathustra shall not be the herd's herdsman and hound!

To allure many from the herd - for that purpose have I come. The people and the herd must be angry with me: a robber shall Zarathustra be called by the herdsmen.

[Zarathustra's Prologue, 9.]

This does, of course, concern the democratic state - where the herd and its herdsmen are on top. Zarathustra continues:

"Herdsmen, I say, but they call themselves the good and just."
[ibid.]

Those herdsmen are, for Nietzsche and Zarathustra, the lowest men, the chandalas. Above them is the herd - mediocrity -, above this is the State, the warrior caste, and above this are the highest men, the individual Supermen, out of whom a Supermankind is to grow.
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:58 pm

Sauwelios wrote:You seem to be so naive as to think that a master must be completely independent.


Where have I said this? All I said is that a Master does not go around proclaiming how he/she will follow person "x" whereever they take them. This is not a question of "complete independence", but perhaps a modicum of dignity. Answer this, can you imagine Nietzsche ever writing anything of himself as absurd as what you wrote?

My motto:


How quaint that your motto is followed by the words of another.
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The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:11 pm

Dunamis wrote:
Sauwelios wrote:You seem to be so naive as to think that a master must be completely independent.


Where have I said this? All I said is that a Master does not go around proclaiming how he/she will follow person "x" whereever they take them.

"Wherever they take them" is a new addition of yours. You called me a follower of Nietzsche's, I affirmed that. So where is the proclaiming? It is you who proclaimed it, not I.


Dunamis wrote:This is not a question of "complete independent", but perhaps a modicum of dignity. Answer this, can you imagine Nietzsche ever writing anything of himself as absurd as what you wrote?

Like what?


Dunamis wrote:
My motto:


How quaint that your motto is followed by the words of another.

Yes, I am very quaint. No quainter than Nietzsche, though:

Nietzsche wrote:A maxim, the origin of which I withhold from scholarly curiosity, has long been my motto:

Increscunt animi, virescit volnere virtus.

[Twilight of the Idols, preface.]
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:18 pm

Sauwelios wrote:"Wherever they take them" is a new addition of yours. You called me a follower of Nietzsche's, I affirmed that. So where is the proclaiming? It is you who proclaimed it, not I.


This is the quote:
I shall be proud to be considered a follower of Nietzsche's. I will pursue his philosophy, and see where it leads me.


Because you are a master of Nieztsche quotes, perhaps cue me into the quote by Nietzsche where he would announce:

"I shall be proud to be a follower of [insert philosopher's name]."

As to your motto, I dare say that Nietzsche spent a whole lotta time writing what is quotable, and very little time quoting others as indicative of his views [or do you not even see that]?
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The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

deus sum, commutavero. eandem hanc, si voltis, faciam ex tragoedia comoedia ut sit omnibus isdem vorsibus. utrum sit an non voltis? -- Amphitryon

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Postby detrop » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:26 pm

The esoteric metaphysics you involve yourself in, Sauwelios, has the tendency to obscure the line between what you used to believe and what you now believe after having read and developed your mind. Eventually, as in your case, skepticism turns on itself.

This is what happened to Crowley and his purple-robe wearing ass.

The question could be asked; how different was the world when Sauwelios didn't know these things? Probably not much different. How important then are the metaphors and myths and religions and mysticisms, etc.,?

It might be fun, like an art, but its not science or systematic philosophy because of its anatomy. Certain types of writing are excluded from logic which disqualifies it in a certain sense, but this isn't to say that it can't mean anything.

I say again that this universe is a thousand times colder and darker than anything a philosopher could write about it. Even man's greatest myths and legends die, Saully. There will exist a day on this planet when Nietzsche isn't even remembered.
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:30 pm

He can't respond right now. He is busy scouring the "holy" Scriptures, so as to find the right "verse". I've known many religious types like this.
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Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:43 pm

Dunamis wrote:
Sauwelios wrote:"Wherever they take them" is a new addition of yours. You called me a follower of Nietzsche's, I affirmed that. So where is the proclaiming? It is you who proclaimed it, not I.


This is the quote:
I shall be proud to be considered a follower of Nietzsche's. I will pursue his philosophy, and see where it leads me.


Because you are a master of Nieztsche quotes, perhaps cue me into the quote by Nietzsche where he would announce:

"I shall be proud to be a follower of [insert philosopher's name]."

He did call himself a "Schopenhauerian" at one point.


Dunamis wrote:As to your motto, I dare say that Nietzsche spent a whole lotta time writing what is quotable, and very little time quoting others as indicative of his views [or do you not even see that]?

Yes - so?
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:49 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Hail to your Master.
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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:52 pm

Dunamis wrote:He can't respond right now. He is busy scouring the "holy" Scriptures, so as to find the right "verse". I've known many religious types like this.

Who is pigeon-holing whom right now?

You are stupid if you level your enemies like this. But of course you don't really do that, you only pretend to in regard to your audience.

This correspondence is closed.
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:01 pm

Sauwelios wrote:Who is pigeon-holing whom right now?


Hmmm. That last I check you were imagining that I was a Christian woman who talked like an old fashioned actress [such are your detective skills], while I simply opine that you run around quoting Nietzsche chapter and verse, exactly as Christians do, [a group you supposedly distain].

You are stupid if you level your enemies like this.


You compliment yourself by calling yourself my enemy. I do not regard you as such at all.

This correspondence is closed.


Correspondence is always closed when one is revealed as a hypocrite of power. You criticize Christians, yet quote inalienable texts just like them; you shout loud about Will to Power, but cannot seem to deal with another's Will to Power. You preach overcoming, but how can you overcome yourself if you can't overcome Nietzsche?
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The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

deus sum, commutavero. eandem hanc, si voltis, faciam ex tragoedia comoedia ut sit omnibus isdem vorsibus. utrum sit an non voltis? -- Amphitryon

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Postby Sauwelios » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:20 pm

What Dunamis is trying to obscure is the fact that I am quoting Nietzsche in order to make crystal-clear what he meant. I have done so in this thread concerning the Superman and the relation between Folk and State.
"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)
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Postby Dunamis » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:32 pm

Just as followers of Jesus quote endlessly from the gospels to show what he meant.

As I have already said, you, unlike many of the looser followers of Nietzsche, actually seem to understand what he meant, but also seem not to understand how little he understood, (and as I am discovering), how to apply what he meant to oneself.
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The starting-point of critical elaboration is the consciousness of what one really is, and is “knowing thyself” as a product of the historical process to date which has deposited in you an infinity of traces, without leaving an inventory. - Prison Notebooks

Ergo obiectum nostrae mentis est corpus existens, et nihil aliud. - Ethices

deus sum, commutavero. eandem hanc, si voltis, faciam ex tragoedia comoedia ut sit omnibus isdem vorsibus. utrum sit an non voltis? -- Amphitryon

The valley-spirit (gu-shen) does not die, this is called the obscure she-thing (xuan-pin). - Tao-te ching
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Postby Sauwelios » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:02 am

What rhetoric! Comparing someone who has himself written many books to someone who, if he did actually exist, did not drop a single line himself, as far as we know (unless you believe Jesus was Caesar, in which case he wrote several books). Then again, maybe Nietzsche did not really write anything: maybe he did not even exist... Maybe you do not even exist! Maybe I am all that exists - but wait, hadn't I overcome this nihilism? Politics or nothing! Nazism or nihilism! Art or death!
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