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Postby tentative » Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:28 pm

The philosopher looks at the entire world and seeks to find its unity.


xanderman,

Are you sure that we're looking for unity? Is it possible that we're looking for a way to explain human diversity? Give me an example of this unity we are looking for.

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Postby Moonface » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:25 am

Someone quoted Whitgenstein (speling?)...I've added some comments in squared brackets.

4.111 Philosophy is not one of the natural sciences. (The word 'philosophy' must mean something whose place is above or below the natural sciences, not beside them.)

[I don't think this statement as actually said anything. He uses metaphors. This (above or below, not beside) could mean anything! ]

4.112 Philosophy aims at the logical clarification of thoughts. Philosophy is not a body of doctrine but an activity. A philosophical work consists essentially of elucidations.

[Fair enough. But this emphasises method only. A means toward what? How can you even know if a method is appropriate if you're not clear about what your goals are?]

Philosophy does not result in 'philosophical propositions', but rather in the clarification of propositions. Without philosophy thoughts are, as it were, cloudy and indistinct: its task is to make them clear and to give them sharp boundaries.

[Again, a means to an end - but what end? What's the difference between a proposition and a clear proposition? Isn't the expression 'a clear proposition' meaningless? Either way a proposition could still be nonsense. And I think the idea of 'clear nonsense' is the same as 'vague nonsense'. It's still all nonsense. And nonsense by its very nature is 'vague', and not thought out properly. I think the idea of 'truth' is trying to be avoided, but I think it's inescapable. Avoiding it doesn't make it go away.]


I honestly feel this is one of the clearest definitions of what philosophy is that I've ever seen.
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Philosophy's finest definition

Postby Freethinker » Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:33 pm

Philosophy is about questioning beliefs, including your own.
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Postby xanderman » Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:04 am

tentative wrote:
The philosopher looks at the entire world and seeks to find its unity.


xanderman, Are you sure that we're looking for unity? Is it possible that we're looking for a way to explain human diversity? Give me an example of this unity we are looking for.


I keep returning to this question, without an answer. I am unsure. Maybe philosophy does not look for unity. I don't know.
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the meaning of grunts...

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:11 am

Impenitent wrote:the meaning of grunts...

is it the thing in itself? never...

is it an arbitrary representation? yep...

arbitrary... grunt grunt grunt... the understanding of grunts...

could you translate that please?

which language of grunt? ...

French?
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