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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 27, 2017 5:41 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Since we are animals ... seems logical to expect that our animal nature would bring us to where we are today. We simply need to wait for the cosmic event that will lift us out of ... place us beyond ... transform ... our animal nature to a spiritual nature.

Not in this lifetime... not in the distant future... probably never...


Mags ... you're probably right ... yet ... as you wrote in another OP on the theory of the Omega Point ... it's a beautiful image. :)

An ode to the foreseeable demise of man through limitations set upon himself through blinkered eyes and covered ears and hurt pride?

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat May 27, 2017 7:05 am

MagsJ wrote:An ode to the foreseeable demise of man through limitations set upon himself through blinkered eyes and covered ears and hurt pride?


Mags ... how do you find all these "gems"?

Prompted by your post I read a bit about Santayana. I immediately fell in love with his quote:

Theory helps us to bear our ignorance of fact.


Also triggered a memory:

Isaiah 25:7

And he will destroy on this mountain
the shroud that is cast over all peoples
the sheet that is spread over all nations
he will swallow up death forever.


I prefer the word "veil" to shroud.

In the 2,500 years or so since Isaiah the veil has not been lifted ... yet one could argue the material the veil is made of has become less opaque ... more transparent. Ergo ... we know much much more today.

Why wouldn't this process continue until the entire shroud/veil has been lifted?
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun May 28, 2017 6:28 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:Looks like a nice guy. I can see in his eyes that he really cares about me. Something you cannot see in zinnat's eyes even though he ends each one of his posts with "with love, sanjay".

...sounded like a nice guy.. the familiar to-him crowd seemed taken with him, so your observation is sound enough, and he did found the world’s first Empathy Museum and the digital Empathy Library.

Why did Zinnat eventually fall out of favour with near everyone? and why did he come to mind to you to mention here now?


People who say or suggest in some way that their compassion has no bounds are hypocritical. They do that [preach universal compassion] merely to make themselves feel safe in a world which does not care. This is a problem because by doing so you blind yourself to reality, namely, that some organisms, perhaps even most if not all of them, do not care about you. That they quite simply don't need you and that you can do little to nothing about it.

They also tend to confuse empathy with sympathy. When they speak of empathy, for example, they always speak of sympathy. They should use that word instead. Somehow, they fail to understand that empathy is nothing more than the ability to perceive other people's feelings. Empathy does not establish how one should react to other people's feelings. For example, it does not entail accepting other people's feelings and/or problems as your own and then doing your best to resolve them. That would be sympathy (which literally means "feeling the same as the other".)
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:54 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
MagsJ wrote:An ode to the foreseeable demise of man through limitations set upon himself through blinkered eyes and covered ears and hurt pride?
Mags ... how do you find all these "gems"?

Prompted by your post I read a bit about Santayana. I immediately fell in love with his quote:
Theory helps us to bear our ignorance of fact.

George Santayana quotes seem to suit your philosophical needs well too. :) I'd say you share a similar disposition.. well, on paper at least.

Also triggered a memory:

Isaiah 25:7
And he will destroy on this mountain
the shroud that is cast over all peoples
the sheet that is spread over all nations
he will swallow up death forever.
I prefer the word "veil" to shroud.

In the 2,500 years or so since Isaiah the veil has not been lifted ... yet one could argue the material the veil is made of has become less opaque ... more transparent. Ergo ... we know much much more today.

Why wouldn't this process continue until the entire shroud/veil has been lifted?

People and nations find comfort under shrouds of certainty.. lift the veil and they will run to the next available one to them.. it seems to be a current global phenomenon right now.

George's quote makes a good case in point:

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