Satyrs insults have class, they’re creative and clever.
Trajic is equally self-absorbed, but less classy, less creative, and his ideas are empty.
That really hurts me, JF, really…
At least Pezer gets me though, at least I have that much! 
At least he can tell that I despise both Christians AND Nietzscheans!
I must of missed that bit.
Yeah but no one cares, even Trajic if he’s honest.
Taking FJ’s sense of humor and sensibility into account, does this really surprise you, Calrid?
Well I think he makes some interesting observations. It’s his conclusion I have problems with. Nor does his style (heavy-handed with, as you rightly point out, a vulgarized and cherry picked interpretation of Nietzsche) serve him very well. But as I and Kristwest discussed, we have to also consider whether he is as serious as he seems to be or if he’s just engaging in a kind of parody of his internet persona. He is nothing if not complex which is the primary reason for my interest in him. It’s not an obsession as Mo argues. Beyond that, I’m pretty much done with the one way discourses he tends to engage in. At most he is an object or phenomenon for study.
The reason for this pretty much has to do with the point you make about alcohol and emotional control. I mean you’re right. It’s not a new issue to me. And to make things worse, there is the problem using my sober time to read books and only having time to come on here when I am drinking. Also, it’s a little frustrating when you’re getting hit when you know you’re not in the best condition to respond: hence the heavy-handed outbursts. I generally prefer to do this when I’m sober or just starting to drink, but I unfortunately have other matters to attend to when I’m not drinking. In fact, right now I’m on an Irish lent and am half tempted to use that time to catch up on the backlog of books I have from the closing of Borders as compared to being on here. It results from the frustrating issue we all have of how to distribute our time. And it is frustrating to say the least. And while I have an idea about how to deal with it (if the moderators will oblige me) it feels to a great extent to be out of my hands. I can make all kinds of decisions about what I want to do now, but intoxication, like sobriety, is a different state of mind.
That said, thanks for the more balanced assessment of me as compared to what one tends to get from others on this board.
d63 says he’s not obsessed… that he doesn’t care… From whence this thread, then? And for a quack? The problem is with you.
No it doesn’t. I find Satyr amusing too, but I don’t seek to emulate him because ultimately he’s quite pointless. Tragic even.
Yes, to base your whole sense of self worth on this like some people tend to do, to feel like you are nothing if you are not some kind of intellectual cock of the walk…
It’s actually kind of pathetic.
Fuck, that was funny.
Yeah, although oddly I read that as kook off the wall, the first time. Not as funny but still true. 
I really don’t mind him, being called a douchebag and a moron is fine, I probably don’t have the knowledge or skills to discuss philosophy well. The fact that I admit that seems to annoy him more though. 
Well he gets to such an extreme with his maliciousness that it overheats and becomes a parody of itself. It becomes almost after a while, like dealing with a senile old man. It’s why I think of him as the Diogenes of the modern age: crawling out of his barrel, masturbating in the town square. and snarling at the passers by.
And are sure that you’re annoying him as much as you might be encouraging him?
Also, your first reading may have resulted from a confusion between 2 equally applicable statements.
Probably not wise but I kinda like poking trolls for fun. And indeed.
Well, Calrid, we all gotta find our flow, don’t we?
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I’ve recently come to realize that writing styles cover a spectrum that that runs from two poles: the functional and the aesthetic. The functional, as the name suggests, is that kind of writing we use to communicate simple ideas or facts. It is best represented by the kind we do every day such as memos or simple descriptions in a report or log. And though there is always a better way of describing a thing, there’s usually not that much at stake that it would require a lot of work. The aesthetic, on the other hand, is that which we do to dazzle and is best represented by the poem. In it, not only is there always a better way to get a point across, we must always be looking for a more impressive or seductive way to do so. Given this demand, it stands to reason that it can be the more difficult of the two. Another important distinction, that must be considered, is that with functional writing we always start out with a clear idea of what must be communicated whereas the aesthetic starts with a vague sense of what one would like to achieve, but is never committed to it.
And now that we have recognized this spectrum, we begin to understand a little more about the different writing activities we engage in. For instance, we now see what the appeal of Facebook is. Even though there is some attempt to impress, generally with humor, the writing done there is generally a functional report of one’s day to day activities. The ideas about what to write are always close at hand. It doesn’t put a lot of demands on the writer. This, in turn, explains the value of the journal, even to many professional writers, as a kind of cultivating ground for what can become more elaborate and aesthetic achievements.
But most important, for our purposes, it tells us a little more about the appeal of the message boards. Certainly, we do write to dazzle; but that has more to do with the content of our minds than it does the style of expression. Moreover, the bulk of what we do here is respond to the content of the mind of the other. And the very act of responding naturally assumes having something to respond with, of knowing what is to be communicated, which leaves only the functional act of writing it down.
The problem for me, though, is that I’ve come to a point where I want something more. I find myself drawn from the ease and functionality of what we do here to the accomplishment and self transcendence of the aesthetic. It’s like being a musician that jams all the time and never writes a song. It sounds masochistic, I know. The struggle to break through the creative hymen, that elastic barrier, is painful to say the least. It is not just a myth: the misery of the artist is real. Still, what would be the point of this, this commitment at the expense of all else, if one didn’t, at least, attempt to resonate with and seduce the world? To be more than something to bounce off of?
I always remember what one writer said:
How would I know what I thought if I didn’t write?
Anguish and Boredom:
The Brutal Push and Pull of Something and Nothing
What anguish could be so spectacular? What flight from boredom, from emptiness, could be so profound as that of the creative mind? It has, in fact, killed greater minds than mine. And it has been a source of vexation since the genesis of my becoming, that vague point at which I decided to be more like them. It’s a fight I cannot win. The blank page, like a schoolyard bully, glares me down, mocks me, and provokes me into something I can’t back down from. Why? Ego, perhaps. A sense of self. The guilt of having ran my mouth, of having thought of and called myself a writer. A promise I made to Pav. And why is proving it so important? On top of that, I have turned to Aum’s essays, to take me from an empty state, to fill my mind with brain chatter, only to exorcize it by discarding the brain chatter onto the page. Why go through this only to return to where I started? What kind of push and pull could cause that? Jouissance? My intent in the following, then, is to expand on Aum’s point in the above essay, Sartre’s Anguish, then, through its foundation in the nothing, connect it to his other essay, Boredom is the Root of all Evil1., and conclude by utilizing my understanding of Lacanian Jouissance to assess the push and pull at the heart of existence and establish it as the source of what makes life such a gift, what justifies our point A to point B, while also revealing the true brutality of it all.
(On the other hand, writers are notorious for their laziness, and the many rituals they tend to engage in just to get themselves to sit down and write. Maybe I should make my flavor of Bad Faith a quick peek at what’s on T.V… And while laziness seems a reasonable explanation, isn’t there something more at work? A sense of dread, perhaps? A fear of failure?)
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What anguish could be so spectacular? What flight from boredom, from emptiness, could be so profound as that of the creative mind? It has, in fact, killed greater minds than mine. And it has been a source of vexation since the genesis of my becoming, the vague point at which I decided to be more like them.
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Why the aphorism? Because it is that poetic expression of nothing becoming something[size=85]1.[/size].
[size=85]1.Why the footnote? Because it points out that a work of writing is a thing: a 3 dimensional object in a 2 dimensional space that can be approached from any direction, a form of being that must, consequently, contain its own nothingness and occupy a space. [/size]
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Writers are notorious for their laziness, and the many rituals they tend to engage in just to get themselves to sit down and write. Maybe I should make my flavor of Bad Faith a quick peek at what’s on T.V… And while laziness seems a reasonable explanation, isn’t there something more at work? A sense of dread, perhaps? A fear of failure?
It starts as always,
With the tyranny of the blank page.
I could, of course, and should walk away,
But can’t.
Why?
Could it be because the blank page could only stand as testament to my own emptiness
-a kind of mirror?
And why does that present a problem?
Yet, there it is
Mocking me with a challenging glare.
Like a schoolyard bully.
It provokes me into a fight it wants me to know I cannot win.
Yet, I stay.
Why?
I could take some comfort from the well known adage
That writers are, by nature, lazy,
That they tend to go through all kinds of weird rituals to get themselves
To just sit down and write.
Yet, they must love it.
Why else would they do it?
Could it be a flight from the emptiness of the blank page,
Thereby,
The possibility of a flight from the emptiness within themselves?
Therefore, we can accept the possibility that the writer’s laziness
Comes from basic human laziness.
But it seems to me that there is something more at work.
Could it be the dread of not knowing what will happen
As the page is filled?
I mean what if I do something stupid
Or wrong
And prove to everyone that I am as empty
As I feel at the beginning of this project?
What if I’m truly burnt out?
Or if my brain is finally pickled from too much alcohol?
As an elder character in the movie
Moonlighting
Said:
I hate sleep;
It’s too much like death.
Maybe I’m getting too old for this.
Maybe the possibility of my own emptiness is
“too much like death.”
On the other hand,
I’ve always found the writing process,
Once it is finished,
To be one of the relief of having emptied all my brain chatter
On to the blank page,
Thereby,
Allowing myself to be empty.
I mean what would be the point
Of looking at a blank page,
Feeling the anxiety of it,
Then pouring all your brain chatter onto it
Just so you can feel empty?
It makes no sense.
On top of that,
I have to deal with the anxiety of knowing that
Had Aum not posted their attempts at what the forum warranted,
I would have had absolutely nothing.
I would have stared at it blankly
Thereby failing the promise I made to Pav.
Yet, post Aum did.
And I must be thankful for it,
Not only because they gave me something to respond to,
But because the 2 essays they presented
Says a great deal about the crisis I face
At the beginning of any project I take on like this.
It seems to me that the crisis any writer faces, when faced with the blank page,
Is the very crisis described by Aum in his two essays, Boredom as the Root of all Evil and Sarte’s Anguish:
The push and pull between nothingness and something.
Therefore, the intent of the following is to expand on the point of the above essay, connect it to Aum’s other essay on boredom through their common foundation in the underlying nothingness, then bring in Lacan’s concept of jouissance to assess the push and pull relationship that lies at the foundation of our existence, that which reflects the very brutality at the heart of it while also supplying a justification for it.
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First of all, what it all comes down to is Leibniz’s question of why all this rather than nothing. On top of that, any one of us have to deal with the question of why we exist when we could of as easily not, and that out of the million forms we could have taken, we managed to be the very form of existence we are.
Secondly, we have to remember that when we talk about things like emptiness, space, absence, and silence, what we are basically talking about are metaphors for nothingness, segways to the nothingness that may or may not actually exist, that is since the very existence of a thing implies that it may not exist. Take, for instance, Sartre’s description of going to a bar to meet Pierre. Sartre goes to a bar seeking Pierre. However, Pierre doesn’t show up, thereby, becoming a kind of absence, a nothingness, a rip in the fabric of being that is soon filled in by the presence of the bar and the other people in it. Pierre’s absence, in a sense, becomes a signifier for the signified of nothingness: a metaphor. In other words, there is no need for nothingness to actually exist. All that is actually needed is the possibility of it.
Lastly, we need to recognize that a lot of what Aum is talking about is the “Vertigo of the Possible”, a concept introduced in Sartre’s Transcendence of the Ego : that which comes from the mind’s natural tendency to consider its options, and that it has some important implications:
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I can speak from experience: there can be no anguish so spectacular, no flight from boredom, from emptiness, so intense as that of the creative mind. It has, in fact, killed greater minds than mine. And it has been a source of vexation since I first began to define myself as such. However, having read Aum’s two essays, Sartre’s Anguish and Boredom is the Root of All Evil, several times, and having put a lot of thought into these issues myself, I’ve come to a new clarity on how relevant these issues are to the creative mind: my situation. It now strikes me, as I set down to respond, how much they reflect on the microcosm of my grand project and the many small creative acts that constitute it. I mean what could produce more angst for the artist or writer than a blank space to be filled? I certainly feel it at the beginning of this. I could, of course, walk away. I’m perfectly free to do so. It’s not like I’m getting paid. And there are other I things I could be doing of presumably higher and more immediate value. (Or do they just seem higher because they are immediate?) Yet, I stay, slump before the blank page, and imagine it glaring me down, mocking me, like a schoolyard bully provoking me into a fight that it has instilled in my mind that I cannot win. Why? Ego, perhaps? A sense of self? The guilt of having ran my mouth, of having thought and called myself a writer? And why is proving it so important?
Now I have choices to make –many choices –perhaps too many. Will I make the wrong ones and reaffirm the emptiness I started with? Even worse for the generalist who bounces around the different disciplines, who can never be sure what to do when, or how to go about it. Trust me, after years of trying, there is no system that will make it flow like a well oiled machine. The bad faith of it has proven silly. Still, when things feel wrong, I go back to scheming.
Maybe I’m just too old, or burnt out, or my mind is pickled from too much 70’s, beer, and Jager. On top of that, several days ago, I finally resolved to set aside my books and focus on creative output only to draw a blank. (I can never make up my mind: take in or put out? Take in or put out?) I had to drop my system and did some reading. And now I have the unease of knowing that, had Aum not wrote his essays, I might still be empty and would have had to break my promise to Pav. Can I truly take credit? But how could I not when I would have take responsibility for my failure? whatever takes part, whatever contingencies or variables, I still have to choose how to respond. But there’s still the deeper absurdity of it. My experience of a successful writing venture has been of a joyful emptiness, of having discarded all my brain chatter on to the page. So what is the point of starting with this emptiness, turning to Aum to fill my mind with chatter, only to discard it and return to the same vacant state. What is this push and pull? This strange tension? Jouissance?
It makes no sense. Yet, we have to act as if it does.
(Christ! My room’s a mess. Is it time to get serious? To put it all in order?)
My intent in the following, then, is to expand on Aum’s point in the above essay, Sartre’s Anguish, then, through its foundation in the nothingness, connect it to his other essay, Boredom is the Root of all Evil1., and conclude by utilizing my understanding of Lacanian Jouissance to assess the push and pull at the heart of existence that is the source of what makes it such a gift, what justifies our point A to point B, while also revealing the true brutality of it all.
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At this point, I feel like I’m in a common state with an Alzheimer’s patient as their neurological infrastructure decays, only like two trains passing in two different directions.
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I lay the chaos of my mind on the table and seek order in it.
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In the beta dream, the thoughts become like loose vectors until one of them darts towards you (you the perceiving thing) and you jolt awake.
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Having read Aum’s essays, Sartre’s Anguish and Boredom is the Root of all Evil, and having thought about similar subjects for a large part of my intellectual life, I now realize the extent to which anguish and the underlying nothing define the creative mind. This project, for instance, starts like most: with a blank page and a profound sense of terror. I have ideas -or a kind of vague ethereal flux in my head. I have a reason to write. But without a guarantee of success or a clear guide of how to get there, the choices to be made can be daunting. Still, I persist. Why? I slump before the page, the reflection of my possible emptiness, and ask the questions. How will I fill it? How will it all turn out? Will I go through all this only to prove I have nothing? That I’m too old, or too burned out? Or, even worse, that my brain is pickled from too much 70’s, beer, and Jager? Were it not for Aum, I’d probably still be drawing blanks and never would have fulfilled my promise to Pav. But this only presents another problem: a kind of absurdity. My experience tells me that the pleasure in writing comes after the work is done and one’s brain chatter has been emptied onto the page in an orderly fashion. It’s a birthing process. And the pleasure that brings me back is the elation and joy of having expelled my creation: that feeling of purity. But why go through the effort of creating something so that one can engage in the catharsis of spilling it back out so that they can, in effect, return to the previous state? Wouldn’t staying that way in the first place do as much? Clearly, there’s a kind of tension at work, a push and pull of the something and the nothing that may well lie, in some fundamental way, at the bottom of Lacian jouissance.
Therefore, the intent of the following is to expand on points made by Aum in his essay on Anguish, find connections (through to underlying nothing) to points made in his essay on boredom, then tie it all together into the push and pull tension, the jouissance, the mixed blessing that justifies our point A to point B while also making it brutal.
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