If you want to impeach the US President, you better have the balls to come out and publicly state the accusations you-yourself.
This Whistleblower must now be exposed, because to further protect “anonymity”, is a threat against the fabric of this country, and our Constitutional laws.
Let me restate, simply:
If you want to Impeach the sitting US President, duly and fairly-elected, then you must not hide anonymously. You are required to state, publicly, the crime. And you must face the American people. ALL OF US, own this Right. This is not simply a trial against Trump. It’s a trial against the country. And this level of Corruption, must now pay a steep price. Democrats must face the penalty of such empty accusations.
Impeachment is the decision to have a trial at all, it is not the trial. Even among civilians, a Grand Jury is often held secretly prior to a trial, and the subject of a Grand Jury has no right to confront those witnesses.
The trial that impeachment starts is expressly limited by the Constitution to exclude any criminal penalties, it is solely about removal from office:
The people elected Congress too. And the people elected the representatives who ratified the Constitution, which provides for the removal of an elected President.
The Whistleblower is not impeaching the President. The House of Representatives is, based on interviews with dozens of named witnesses, many of whom will testify publicly prior to impeachment. Once he is impeached, the President will be tried, not by the Whistleblower, but by the Senate. We don’t know what testimony will be presented during that trial. I would be surprised if the original Whistleblower complaint were used, because there’s so much other evidence available, but if it were relied upon, and Trump asked to be confronted with his accuser, then you might have a point. As it stands, you have a bunch of political talking points that don’t reflect Constitutional law.
But what if intelligence inter-agency issues involve many departments where releasing identity would / could entail more than just the exposure of operatives, but could impinge on national secret international operations, by virtue of those identified?
This is the forced removal of the US President. Imagine if Trump had 75% of the nation vote for him, instead of 51%. Removing the President, IF HE COMMITTED NO CRIME, is an assault against those who voted for him. It’s an assault against Democracy.
So, was there a crime committed or not? It’s basic common sense, and perhaps the core of Western Law, that people have the Right to face their accusers in Court. Because Democrats have brought it to court, which was their choice, the President, and more importantly the People, all of us, now have the Right to face that accuser as well.
If anonymity was/is so important, then this should not have gone to Impeachment trial. The case should not have depended on this witness and accusation. And it should have remained as a legal Censure. Now that it is a criminal proceeding, there is no chance, that this hypothetical whistleblower can or should or will remain anonymous. To further protect “anonymity” is an insult and threat to the American people.
The People deserve to face this accuser, and have the Right, and now the matter comes to a head, because Democrats wanted this. They pushed for it. Now it’s time to push back.
Urwrong, please, read about the Constitutional law to which you’re appealing. Trump hasn’t been impeached, so there is currently no trial. There aren’t even articles of impeachment, so we don’t even know what the formal accusation is. And impeachment and removal are two different things, akin to the difference between being indicted and convicted. When he is impeached, as he likely will be, the trial won’t be held in court, it will be held in Senate and overseen by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. If he’s removed, he won’t go to jail. He doesn’t need to have committed any crime for which he could go to jail, because impeachment is for “high crimes and misdemeanors”, which are abuses of power and not just Big Bad Crimes.
Impeachment and removal is a remedy included in the Constitution in order to remove elected officials, it is literally the law governing how elected officials are removed from their elected positions.
The proceedings now are a ‘trial’ in the same way that someone can be ‘tried in the press’, i.e. metaphorically. That’s basically what’s happening now: Democrats are trying to move public opinion by airing as much of the evidence in as much detail as possible for as long as possible to convince the public, so that when the trial starts in the Senate, public pressure will be on Republican Senators to remove Trump from office.
We deserve and have the Right to face this “anonymous whistleblower” accuser. State the crime, state the accusation, and do it publicly, before the Nation. Or you have no case, Period. That’s the end of it. Everything else is a waste of our time, money, energy, and moral legitimacy. Everything more, is an assault and insult to our nation, our people, our way-of-life, and our government.
Democrats have demonstrated no Right to process. This is unprecedented in the method of Impeachment. No impeachment, ever before, has been this blatantly corrupt.
There are countless severe ramifications to follow this abuse of power and corruption. You seem to be missing the bigger picture.
In what sense? There are lots of other witnesses, there’s a written account of the call, there are transcripts and other documents that can be subpoenaed. The Whistleblower’s role at this point is almost zero, everything else is plenty.
That’s laughable. The “star witnesses” were an embarrassment. The whole premise from the beginning, months ago, has been the hypothetical “whistleblower”.
Democrats have shutout the Republicans and public from the start. For the past 3 months, the public, the Republicans, all of us, have a right to know the basis of impeachment Accusations. There have been NONE, or worse, any hinted at or implied, is shifted around and changed. Thus, Democrats have no case. They are starting with a conclusion, and trying to build their premises and case to match. They were ordered to ‘impeach’, but moved forward without substance.
This impeachment can be compared to all previous presidential impeachments, and the merit compared. Clinton got a blowjob from a Staff aide, secretary, and bald-face lied to the US people. What has Trump done, anything comparable to this??? Not even close.
It’s time the Democrats are investigated, impeached, and corruption charges pointed at them.
Trump should ask all foreign nations to investigate the Democrats. The swamp needs drained, from without, if not from within.
The reason for the investigation was a credible allegation of wrongdoing. The reason for the impeachment is the evidence that the investigation has turned up.
Republicans have been in every closed-door hearing, and public hearings are currently taking place.
Ok. But animousity, or the need to uncover is a sign of diminishing reliance for an intelligent appraisal of verifiability.
This impeachment is about and chaired by the head of the intelligence committee, and this factor I believe was pointed out by a commentator who compared the 3 impeachment of US history.
This re affirms the importance of opinion approval of these open hearing. against all others.
Would You consider this within a modicum of possibility?
“Clinton got a blowjob from a Staff aide, secretary, and bald-face lied to the US people. What has Trump done, anything comparable to this??? Not even close.”
Stormy Daniels
In addition to the whistle blower-
A co-counsel for the whistleblower has told USA TODAY that death threats have been directed at his client and attorneys.
People outside the Trump administration, including members of Congress and the public, are likely covered by the First Amendment if they name the person, though civil law guards against libel and slander.
The whistleblower needs to come before Congress as a material witness because he worked for Joe Biden at the same time Hunter Biden was getting money from corrupt oligarchs," Paul said as the president stood nearby. “I say tonight to the media, do your job and print his name.”
Paul says he knows the name of the whistle blower, but the media is reluctant on threats of criminal charges being filed against them.
I still refuse to believe people here are uninformed enough to actually believe this is legal.
“AOC: Impeachment ‘About Preventing a Potentially Disastrous Outcome from Occurring Next Year’”
This is all it is about. Trying to prevent democracy from doing its work. Porn stars are lifted up into heaven just because they will insult the president and the intellectual class obediently does their footwork.
Possibly in the cosmic scheme, Trump is better, more than the US deserves - now I fear it will get what it really deserves.
Both parties are claiming they are acting on behalf of democracy, because both see that democracy sells. But neither is fully committed to democracy, and that is not wrong in itself. We need to look at the ways in which they are undermining democracy.
Impeachment is absolutely anti-democratic. That’s it’s purpose. The Constitution does not create a direct democracy, and we shouldn’t expect it to. The Constitution provides that an elected official can be removed from office and barred from ever holding elected office again. That is incompatible with a simple democracy in which the current whims of the people control. Rather, the goal was to create a checked democracy, so that a version of the people’s will, filtered by deliberation and encumbered to resist their rapidly changing passions. Where the people think they want a strong-man authoritarian who uses his office to undermine his political rivals, the Constitution says that democracy should not prevail. The Democrats are operating within both the letter and spirit of the Constitution.
(And note that the above would hold even if it weren’t the case that Trump was elected by a similar anti-democratic Constitutional design, namely that he won the presidency despite receiving neither a majority nor a plurality of votes.)
Before Presidency, Not in the Oval Office, Not a Staffer
Trump didn’t lie about it, in a televised address, to the whole nation
Trump is honest about his philandering, compared to Clinton, who was lied, embarrassed, and shamed for it
Trump had dozens of super-models around him – he is not easily corrupted by sex or money, as corrupt Washington Democrats show that they are (Biden and son)