The purpose of all life

[Artimas]

@Ecmandu

Mr. Reasonable:

I give you reason and you respond unreasonably.

You asked me to address all your arguments.

My statement is simple, this is the only one that you’re attacking:

Sex dimorphism, rape dimorphism and weapons and combat training dimorphism cause a higher relative aversion to sexually suggestive acts in females from males than in males from females.

You try to make it sound like I’m on the fringe and you are normal.

I not only gave you 3 studies, I gave you ways to perform your own studies, out there in your feet in the real world.

You know I’m right, because no way in hell are you going to walk around flashing women all day. Women can do it with all the confidence in the world. There is no physical law in any book that states only to arrest male flashers and not female ones; it is a natural bi-product of this species fact. Worst case scenario women will be put in brief psychiatric lockdown…MILES away from a real prison sentence with real hard time.

Your arguments are “that doesn’t mean anything” for every study I offer you, including your own intuition which proves what every sociologist knows to be a fact. You actually haven’t said anything for about ten posts, and puff yourself up by calling them arguments.

Those things do happen and they are unjust, it is not equality. The issues should be fixed and recognized for sure, I just look at life in a simplistic way when determining meaning of existence, it’s a simple one to be honest. I exist to experience, hence the senses we possess and the ability to craft devices to sense even more.

[Ecmandu]

@Artimas

@Ecmandu

Mr. Reasonable:

I give you reason and you respond unreasonably.

You asked me to address all your arguments.

My statement is simple, this is the only one that you’re attacking:

Sex dimorphism, rape dimorphism and weapons and combat training dimorphism cause a higher relative aversion to sexually suggestive acts in females from males than in males from females.

You try to make it sound like I’m on the fringe and you are normal.

I not only gave you 3 studies, I gave you ways to perform your own studies, out there in your feet in the real world.

You know I’m right, because no way in hell are you going to walk around flashing women all day. Women can do it with all the confidence in the world. There is no physical law in any book that states only to arrest male flashers and not female ones; it is a natural bi-product of this species fact. Worst case scenario women will be put in brief psychiatric lockdown…MILES away from a real prison sentence with real hard time.

Your arguments are “that doesn’t mean anything” for every study I offer you, including your own intuition which proves what every sociologist knows to be a fact. You actually haven’t said anything for about ten posts, and puff yourself up by calling them arguments.

Those things do happen and they are unjust, it is not equality. The issues should be fixed and recognized for sure, I just look at life in a simplistic way when determining meaning of existence, it’s a simple one to be honest. I exist to experience, hence the senses we possess and the ability to craft devices to sense even more.

There’s more context in the thread, which is why he’s going after that statement.

Because:

It necessarily follows that relative to men, all women are a “no” for anything resembling first approaches or first escalations, first ornamentations…

Which necessarily logically follows that doing the above sends the signal that: “I don’t care about the first “no””

If a female accepts this: it necessarily and logically follow that she is sending out the signal to the species that “no means yes”

Sexually, regardless of anyone’s opinion, the subconscious mind knows that this is rape.

People work very hard to sublimate this.

[Artimas]

@Ecmandu

@Artimas

@Ecmandu

Mr. Reasonable:

I give you reason and you respond unreasonably.

You asked me to address all your arguments.

My statement is simple, this is the only one that you’re attacking:

Sex dimorphism, rape dimorphism and weapons and combat training dimorphism cause a higher relative aversion to sexually suggestive acts in females from males than in males from females.

You try to make it sound like I’m on the fringe and you are normal.

I not only gave you 3 studies, I gave you ways to perform your own studies, out there in your feet in the real world.

You know I’m right, because no way in hell are you going to walk around flashing women all day. Women can do it with all the confidence in the world. There is no physical law in any book that states only to arrest male flashers and not female ones; it is a natural bi-product of this species fact. Worst case scenario women will be put in brief psychiatric lockdown…MILES away from a real prison sentence with real hard time.

Your arguments are “that doesn’t mean anything” for every study I offer you, including your own intuition which proves what every sociologist knows to be a fact. You actually haven’t said anything for about ten posts, and puff yourself up by calling them arguments.

Those things do happen and they are unjust, it is not equality. The issues should be fixed and recognized for sure, I just look at life in a simplistic way when determining meaning of existence, it’s a simple one to be honest. I exist to experience, hence the senses we possess and the ability to craft devices to sense even more.

There’s more context in the thread, which is why he’s going after that statement.

Because:

It necessarily follows that relative to men, all women are a “no” for anything resembling first approaches or first escalations, first ornamentations…

Which necessarily logically follows that doing the above sends the signal that: “I don’t care about the first “no””

If a female accepts this: it necessarily and logically follow that she is sending out the signal to the species that “no means yes”

Sexually, regardless of anyone’s opinion, the subconscious mind knows that this is rape.

People work very hard to sublimate this.

I wouldn’t say every woman does it. What if the woman is attracted to the male that would approach, what if her first response is yes. A lot of women do this though with men and men continue to pursue them without realizing that they are truly not desired.

It’s a slippery slope.

[Artimas]

It kind of reminds me of cats to be honest. The cat howls all night in heat but then tries to get away from the male when it tries until the male actually rapes the female cat and yes it happens all the time with cats. Would be a good example of no meaning yes on an animalistic level.

It seems like Instinct battling the conscious mind.

[Ecmandu]

Artimas,

Infinite hell is an experience.

Obviously people don’t just live to experience, experience is the passive aspect of living, not its purpose.

And yes, women certainly do want some men to approach them, the problem is context. You have to put the whole globe in your head for a moment and see the larger picture of 3 billion unwanted and/or continued advances from men. That gets into mind reading games, and that’s when it turns into psychosis. It’s in the woman’s best interest if she desires a man (for the sake not only of herself, but all other women) to simply approach that man and do all the escalations a first.

The worst thing any being can do, is to positively reinforce the “no means yes” message.

Because… drum roll

the purpose of life is to not only approach, but to arrive at a 100% consensual reality (whatever that may look like to the individual without encroaching upon another). That to me, is the breath of life. Like plants that point to the sun and not away from it.

Unlike plants, people in general are so psychopathic and psychotic that it confuses everyone. People will actually run from the sun, thinking that they’re actually running towards it.

[Mowk]

They are interesting studies. But lets not get all carried away. There’s a lot of interpretation bias taking place regarding the meaning of the data.

So far experimentation has shown us a response, and we interpret it based on our bias’.

But is it pain, or just a response to a stimulus, like the pupil of an iris narrowing in bright light. Sure the pupil is responding to the light but there is no pain when it reacts in that manner or is it conditioning (environmental) like when a dog salivates to the sound of a bell?

[Ecmandu]

@Mowk

They are interesting studies. But lets not get all carried away. There’s a lot of interpretation bias taking place regarding the meaning of the data.

So far experimentation has shown us a response, and we interpret it based on our bias’.

But is it pain, or just a response to a stimulus, like the pupil of an iris narrowing in bright light. Sure the pupil is responding to the light but there is no pain when it reacts in that manner or is it conditioning (environmental) like when a dog salivates to the sound of a bell?

Actually, I gave a scientific study that’s never been done. Men flashing women vs. women flashing men.

This delves into one of the strongest proof forms that we possess: inferential proof.

I’ll explain briefly:

We all know that the counting numbers are infinite, therefor, we can never count them all… you know! 1,2,3,4,5,6,7… etc

We know for a fact that we can’t count them all BUT WE KNOW THEY ARE ALL THERE IN A WELL ORDERED SET !!!

This is VERY important.

If women went to war with men, the women would all be dead, and there’d still be men.

We all know (without even doing it) that men flashing women all day will land them in PRISON!! Women doing it, will mostly get compliments.

We all know for a fact that sex dimorphic aversion exists, through inferential proof.

[Artimas]

@Mowk

They are interesting studies. But lets not get all carried away. There’s a lot of interpretation bias taking place regarding the meaning of the data.

So far experimentation has shown us a response, and we interpret it based on our bias’.

But is it pain, or just a response to a stimulus, like the pupil of an iris narrowing in bright light. Sure the pupil is responding to the light but there is no pain when it reacts in that manner or is it conditioning (environmental) like when a dog salivates to the sound of a bell?

But light on an eye can cause pain… Especially if you’re accustomed to the dark, the light will sting your eyes to tears. Pain is a reaction to negative stimuli whatever it may be, I feel.

[Artimas]

@Ecmandu

Artimas,

Infinite hell is an experience.

Obviously people don’t just live to experience, experience is the passive aspect of living, not its purpose.

And yes, women certainly do want some men to approach them, the problem is context. You have to put the whole globe in your head for a moment and see the larger picture of 3 billion unwanted and/or continued advances from men. That gets into mind reading games, and that’s when it turns into psychosis. It’s in the woman’s best interest if she desires a man (for the sake not only of herself, but all other women) to simply approach that man and do all the escalations a first.

The worst thing any being can do, is to positively reinforce the “no means yes” message.

Because… drum roll

the purpose of life is to not only approach, but to arrive at a 100% consensual reality (whatever that may look like to the individual without encroaching upon another). That to me, is the breath of life. Like plants that point to the sun and not away from it.

Unlike plants, people in general are so psychopathic and psychotic that it confuses everyone. People will actually run from the sun, thinking that they’re actually running towards it.

But it is the experience that leads to motive or meaning.

If I have a great experience with football or science I very well might end up being a foot ball player or scientist… Because that specific experiencing brings me joy, which who doesn’t want to feel joy?

It is both passive and direct. It’s a simple answer for our complex nature but it is also complex because it is the real answer to meaning. If we had set meanings life would be redundant, this is why we choose our own meanings through what we experience. It’s why so many live their life not knowing what they want because they are a biproduct of experiences that they had no choice to be a part of, aka beginning with children mostly.

[Ecmandu]

@Artimas

@Ecmandu

Artimas,

Infinite hell is an experience.

Obviously people don’t just live to experience, experience is the passive aspect of living, not its purpose.

And yes, women certainly do want some men to approach them, the problem is context. You have to put the whole globe in your head for a moment and see the larger picture of 3 billion unwanted and/or continued advances from men. That gets into mind reading games, and that’s when it turns into psychosis. It’s in the woman’s best interest if she desires a man (for the sake not only of herself, but all other women) to simply approach that man and do all the escalations a first.

The worst thing any being can do, is to positively reinforce the “no means yes” message.

Because… drum roll

the purpose of life is to not only approach, but to arrive at a 100% consensual reality (whatever that may look like to the individual without encroaching upon another). That to me, is the breath of life. Like plants that point to the sun and not away from it.

Unlike plants, people in general are so psychopathic and psychotic that it confuses everyone. People will actually run from the sun, thinking that they’re actually running towards it.

But it is the experience that leads to motive or meaning.

If I have a great experience with football or science I very well might end up being a foot ball player or scientist… Because that specific experiencing brings me joy, which who doesn’t want to feel joy?

It is both passive and direct. It’s a simple answer for our complex nature but it is also complex because it is the real answer to meaning. If we had set meanings life would be redundant, this is why we choose our own meanings through what we experience. It’s why so many live their life not knowing what they want because they are a biproduct of experiences that they had no choice to be a part of, aka beginning with children mostly.

Yes, experience leads to motive or meaning, but it is not motive or meaning. All experience leads to the same motive or meaning, to not want to have ones consent violated against their consent.

It truly is the driver of meaning in life, what all beings strive towards.

One person may want knives to mutilate their genitals forever, and someone else may want to consensually have sex with whomever they want without emotional reprocussion, but with a steady state of enveloping passion.

Who are we to judge?

We can judge this however – that’s not the reality that we currently live in.

[Mowk]

But light on an eye can cause pain… Especially if you’re accustomed to the dark, the light will sting your eyes to tears. Pain is a reaction to negative stimuli whatever it may be, I feel.

But is it the part of your eye “the iris” that is sensing the pain.

I think to call pain a reaction to a negative stimuli is an understatement. It’s the shit torture is made of. There is a fairly conscious component to the human experience of it. Could a “stimulus” and “a response to it” take place without an experience of it? Doesn’t the definition of “pain” require an experienced of it for it to be pain.

If the lesson here is: as a species of humans we have to pay a hell of a lot more attention to what we are doing, I’m all on board.

And I don’t think you can extrapolate the cultural problems associated with boy meets girl onto the purpose of all life. How we classify life hasn’t done us any favors.

Should the purpose of “any other” life be anybody else’s concern? Seems even to postulate it would be a violation of it.

Pretty sure Mowk won’t be around by the time that takes place. This “purpose” doesn’t seem to be of much help ‘growing corn’.
No meaning or purpose, if that’s my other choice… but an entertaining enough distraction until it isn’t.

[Meno2 (Meno_)]

The time is comparable to what it takes how long , as long as it takes to square a circle.

So don’t worry about running out of time, it only a few or even a fraction of a second , measured from cosmic to meta quanta.

Therefore and not meaning to transpose it/me/you ; into another) , transforms reality into the professed dream.

So we got plenty of time meditate on our navels

[Mowk]

It’s an outy. but what if it wasn’t? What if it were really deep? You ‘know’ get the q-tip out to clean out the dirt, deep. Probably just shouldn’t have followed that there. :shrug:

The purpose of all life is comic relief. Learning to laugh through it, even appreciate it. Plants could have advantage. And I likely just flopped or is it flipped. Toggled? Oscillated.

Never sure which side of the ride is more fun. This is the gas.

[Ecmandu]

I might as well answer you mowk.

You said offhandedly that boy meets girl is almost a joke compared to real problems.

90% of the population is heterosexual.

Solving sexual consent in intentional communities requires more intelligence than rocket science.

Human sexuality (what we use to (in general) reproduce)). Has a massive psychological impact on us in ways that other aspects don’t.

If 100% of those are rape, it really fucks with people’s heads to the point that they sublimate it and take the aggression out elsewhere.

“Boy meets girl” is not an offhand joke in a sex dimorphic species.

[Mowk]

@Ecmandu

I might as well answer you mowk.

You said offhandedly that boy meets girl is almost a joke compared to real problems.

90% of the population is heterosexual.

Solving sexual consent in intentional communities requires more intelligence than rocket science.

Human sexuality (what we use to (in general) reproduce)). Has a massive psychological impact on us in ways that other aspects don’t.

If 100% of those are rape, it really fucks with people’s heads to the point that they sublimate it and take the aggression out elsewhere.

“Boy meets girl” is not an offhand joke in a sex dimorphic species.

You still haven’t and No, I didn’t. I wrote: that I didn’t think you can extrapolate the cultural problems associated with boy meets girl onto the purpose of all life. Specifically life that reproduces asexually. A human is only part human, as a species it requires a single celled organism that reproduces asexually to digest its food and aid in it’s immune defense mechanism.

Can you “not” consent to this relationship? Do you have any choice in the matter at all? And all these bacteria we’re dependent upon are reproducing like crazy without a degree of “boy meets girl” cultural stigma.

You have never even come close to addressing the questions I have presented. You dance on a mean fringe.

[Ecmandu]

@Mowk

@Ecmandu

I might as well answer you mowk.

You said offhandedly that boy meets girl is almost a joke compared to real problems.

90% of the population is heterosexual.

Solving sexual consent in intentional communities requires more intelligence than rocket science.

Human sexuality (what we use to (in general) reproduce)). Has a massive psychological impact on us in ways that other aspects don’t.

If 100% of those are rape, it really fucks with people’s heads to the point that they sublimate it and take the aggression out elsewhere.

“Boy meets girl” is not an offhand joke in a sex dimorphic species.

You still haven’t and No, I didn’t. I wrote: that I didn’t think you can extrapolate the cultural problems associated with boy meets girl onto the purpose of all life. Specifically life that reproduces asexually. A human is only part human, as a species it requires a single celled organism that reproduces asexually to digest its food and aid in it’s immune defense mechanism.

Can you “not” consent to this relationship? Do you have any choice in the matter at all? And all these bacteria we’re dependent upon are reproducing like crazy without a degree of “boy meets girl” cultural stigma.

You have never even come close to addressing the questions I have presented. You dance on a mean fringe.

My only point has been that consent violation against consent is the bane of all life, even bacterium.

Some life wants their consent violated, but all life wants it on their own terms.

Any violation of consent against consent can be extrapolated to the main argument.

[Mowk]

My only point has been that consent violation against consent is the bane of all life, even bacterium.

Some life wants their consent violated, but all life wants it on their own terms.

Any violation of consent against consent can be extrapolated to the main argument.

back pedal.

[Mr_Reasonable]

Yeah at one point he was saying every instance of sex is rape.

[Karpel_Tunnel]

@Mr Reasonable

Yeah at one point he was saying every instance of sex is rape.

I think there are problems with some of his lines of reasoning and it is all, often, very binary. But I like the using the idea of consent as an analysis tool, up to and including theology. I think it is also useful to point out that people give up their right of consent, accept this (to varying degrees and in varying contexts) and ontologically assume it. It’s a different take on the problem of evil. I’ve reacted strongly negatively to his ideas at times, but on the other hand I think there is a unique take here. Sometimes people are happy to shut down a unique take as a whole based on errors or going to far.

[Ecmandu]

@Mr Reasonable

Yeah at one point he was saying every instance of sex is rape.

And it’s true.

For example, someone walks by you on the sidewalk and says, “what’s up man?” And you reply, “doing good”. The subconscious knows what this means even if the conscious mind doesn’t.

What the subconscious mind knows is that you are good with baby rape torture and mutilation around the globe. The woman sees that you are both psychopaths and she becomes sexually attracted to both of you. However, because your answer was more psychopathic, she’s more attracted to you.

However, since the person who asked the question, “what’s up” is a subset of the universal, you said that he/she is good, even though asking that question is bad. So, he/she got you to contradict yourself in the form of saying 2+2=5.

You’ve both dominated each other. So the woman can’t yet make up her mind who the biggest psychopath is (what she always chooses)

The subconscious mind knows all of this.

It also knows that all male and female consent is rape, because to the subconscious mind, “no means yes” for human copulation is always rape.

There has yet to be an exception in this species.

You and Karpel are horribly wrong about thinking I’m misrepresenting reality to this regard. You’re trying to defend your narrative structure that you are good guys inspite of flawless logic, reason and rationality.