Talking about the END OF STATES.

[Arminius]

In my thread “Talking about the END OF HISTORY” it is said amongst others:

@Arminius

History has not ended yet, although it seems to sink, to go down, to decline, to shrink.

History can’t have ended yet because the „historical existentials“ haven’t ended.

@Arminius

According to Ernst Nolte there are especially the following „historical existentials“, which are translated by me ( [-o< or =D>):

• Religion (God/Gods, a.s.o);
• Rule (leadership, a.s.o.);
• Nobleness (nobility, a.s.o.);
• Classes;
• State;
• Great War;
• City and country as contrast;
• Education, especially in schools and universities;
• Science;
• Order of sexulality / demographics, economics;
• Historiography / awareness of history!

There is no doubt that some of those examples of historical existentials have been shrinking, while other historical existentials have been expanding.

Since the beginning of the Western modern times:

1. Religion has been becoming a more secular, more powerful religion, a modern religion, thus an ideology; so religion has been expanding.
2. Rule (leadership, a.s.o.) has been becoming a more hidden, secret, esoteric, more powerful one; so rule has been expanding.
3. Nobleness (nobility, a.s.o.) has also been becoming a more hidden, secret, esoteric, more powerful one; so nobleness has been expanding.
4. Classes have been changing: a richer becoming upper class, a shrinking middle class, an increasing lower class; so classes have been changing badly.
   5. State has been becoming a more and more powerless Institution; so the state has been shrinking, and probably it will disappear.
5. Great war has been becoming smaller but much more wars and threatening; so we still can’t say much about the end of this historical existential.
   7. City and country as contrast have been changing by expanding cities and shrinking countries; so the contrast will perhaps disappear.
   8. Education, especially in schools and universities, has been becoming a catastrophic issue; so education has been changing very badly.
   9. Science has been becoming a new religion for the most part; so science has been changing very badly.
   10. Order of sexulality / demographics, economics has been becoming a catastrophic issue too; so this order has been becoming a disorder.
   11. Historiography / awareness of history has been getting under ideological (modern religious) control; so historography has been changing badly.

So the historical existentials state (=> 5.), city and country as contrast (=> 7.), education, especially in schools and universities (=> 8.), science (=> 9.), order of sexulality / demographics, economics (=> 10.), and last but not least historiography / awareness of history (=> 11.) will probably disappear during the next future, provided that humans will be alive then. But we still don’t know whether the historical existentials religion (=> 1.), rule (=> 2.), nobleness (=> 3.), classes (=> 4.), graet war (=> 6.) will end as long as humans are alive.

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It is somehow scary that the state has been becoming a more and more powerless Institution; so the state has been shrinking, and probably it will disappear (=> 5.). What do you think about that?

[James_S_Saint]

@Arminius

It is somehow scary that the state has been becoming a more and more powerless Institution; so the state has been shrinking, and probably it will disappear (=> 5.). What do you think about that?

I think that it is going as to plan. The current methodology is one of obfuscation and extortion, subtle and hidden snares to create doubt, distrust and weak confidence so as to shift power into the hands of those creating the doubt and with which, they spawn more. After enough uncertainty is cast into the population, dependency, and power is gained, a “savior” is to appear in order to help those feeling lost and gain their support. After some serious death and destruction, new order is then declared, “new states” with a new world Congress, new world religion, and new world emperor.

[Arminius]

There many correlations (for example):

– Cultural development,
– fertility development,
– demographical development,
– educational development,
– intelligence (IQ) development,
– political development,
– economical development,
– wealth development,
– welfare development,
– artistic development,
– technical / technological development,
– mechanical development,
– civilisational development.

When the red coloured arise, then the green coloured arise merely a little bit, and the blue coloured lacks.
When the red coloured decline, then the green arise very much, and the blue coloured arises.
When the green coloured also decline, then the blue coloured declines as well, first a little bit, then much and very much.

The culture turns the light on, the civilisation of the culture turns the light off.

[Arminius]

A sign or omen for the end of states in the relatively soon future could be the following impression:

@Zero_Sum

The more I look at the modern state versus anarchy or anarchism I am coming to the conclusion that they are essentially the same thing. This might of not been the case with states of the past ( especially our ancient past) but again certainly can be said of the modern ones. Modern states are becoming more chaotic, disorderly, unorganized, self destructive, and socially conflicting internally. These are the kind of things you would expect in an existence of anarchy and not that of a governed state of society that prides itself on social order.

It will likely take time before this description will become reality. But the thing is that some certain indicators have been being perceptible for a relatively long time.

And for example: Is a welfare state with billions of debts still a well working state? If so: For how long will this last? A huge crisis - and this state is really bankrupt!

The crash is only a matter of time.

[Mr_J]

Any kind of push for globalism will require a violent overthrow of all nationalist groups around the world through a kind of purge where the end of national states isn’t possible until then. Globalism versus nationalism, who will win? Shall be interesting as things escalate.

[Arminius]

Globalism means - amongst other things - the elimination of nations, of states. And the fact that we are living in a globalistic era means - as long as this era lasts - that globalism is more powerful and thus seems to win. But who knows who will really win in the end? Globalism will end someday.

[Meno2 (Meno_)]

@Arminius

Globalism means - amongst other things - the elimination of nations, of states. And the fact that we are living in a globalistic era means - as long as this era lasts - that globalism is more powerful and thus seems to win. But who knows who will really win in the end? Globalism will end someday.

It may end but with a whimper , a thousand years is a mild estimate considering the undisputed power of an established center.

The rationale for that is, the coming to reality of a 1984 type of brave new world, with little chance of developing a reactionary outward dissent.

[Arminius]

@Meno_

@Arminius

Globalism means - amongst other things - the elimination of nations, of states. And the fact that we are living in a globalistic era means - as long as this era lasts - that globalism is more powerful and thus seems to win. But who knows who will really win in the end? Globalism will end someday.

It may end but with a whimper , a thousand years is a mild estimate considering the undisputed power of an established center.

You mean a new thousand year kingdom (empire) is likely?

[tab]The following tree (lime) is far more than 1000 years old and can be found in Puch (near Fürstenfeldbruck):

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[Meno2 (Meno_)]

If they develop computerized intelligence resistant to viruses causing fungal infections why not? A thousand years of empire is not unheard of. , Romans, including Charles the Great lasted way over that. An uncontested empire solving the problem with internal decay can go on way longer.

Besides all they have to do is to redefine states as an exclusive and only existing empire as a state OR state of mind.

[Mr_J]

Just wait until they roll out a new digital currency worldwide. Bank on it.

[Arminius]

@Meno_

If they develop computerized intelligence resistant to viruses causing fungal infections why not? A thousand years of empire is not unheard of. , Romans, including Charles the Great lasted way over that. An uncontested empire solving the problem with internal decay can go on way longer.

Besides all they have to do is to redefine states as an exclusive and only existing empire as a state OR state of mind.

The Holy Roman Emipre of German Nation lasted 1000 years: from 843 to 1806. The Frankish empire that Karl der Große (Charles the Graet) established was the predecessor of the Holy Roman Emipre of German Nation. Both had not really to do with the Ancient Roman empire - unless one accepts wishful thinking as reality. All of this Kaisers wanted to be like the Caesars were, but the Holy Fathers (popes) of the Christian Church wanted the same. So, we have two sides of this mytho-motivity: a more secular one and a more sacral one. This time was over In 1806, when almost everything became secularized, although after this secularization there was the Restoration, namely from 1815 till 1848 or, in some regions, even till 1870.

[Arminius]

@Zero_Sum

Just wait until they roll out a new digital currency worldwide. Bank on it.

This worldwirde currency could be called “Globo”. Am I the first one with the idea of this “Globo”?

“Globo” sounds like “Euro”, doesn’t it?

[Mr_J]

@Arminius

@Zero_Sum

Just wait until they roll out a new digital currency worldwide. Bank on it.

This worldwirde currency could be called “Globo”. Am I the first one with the idea of this “Globo”?

“Globo” sounds like “Euro”, doesn’t it?

The Phoenix that operates eerily similar to today’s Bitcoin.

[Arminius]

What about a “Holy Dollar Empire of the One World Nation” as the new Thousand-Year-Empire?

[Meno2 (Meno_)]

Well that’s probably what it is the quantum capitalization of the mist critical stage in the material manifestation of CAPITAL has been vested almost beyond possibility in Wall Street.

So then the adage what works is what matters becomes insoluble.

[Mr_J]

@Arminius

What about a “Holy Dollar Empire of the One World Nation” as the new Thousand-Year-Empire?

We should all just call it, “All Seeing Eye Bucks”, and be done with it.