Suicide should be available to everyone

[Ecmandu]

You’re puffing yourself up.

I’m an insanely good person.

I’m the kind of person who is so good, that if you piss me off… You better be very scared!

I know you know what that means too!

[The_Eternal_Warrior]

@Ecmandu

You’re puffing yourself up.

I’m an insanely good person.

I’m the kind of person who is so good, that if you piss me off… You better be very scared!

I know you know what that means too!

You’re afraid. Out of control of your impulses. You’ve moved onto joking fully aware that even as you mean absolutely no offense, that you are, in fact, still offending, caught between not caring and caring.

It sucks when the words you speak aren’t the ones you want to use. I can quite easily understand your every frustration, but at what point should I be expected to address them and actually help you. It’s a shallow stream that youre drowning in, little John, just stand up.

[Fixed_Cross]

@Ecmandu

Carleas said my earlier posts were deleted because my titles were deceiving …

This is a test.

It’s definitely a society topic, incontrovertibly so.

There’s even a thesis here.

Actually this is the most pressing society topic ever on this board.

So this is a test.

Suicide is the anti-game.

If humane suicide is available everywhere, then it’s impossible for us to be slaves, economic objects, property of the state, trinkets for others self esteem.

Suicide is not a game.

In the absence of humane suicide, people glibly and evilly say, “you must play the game to win”

Suicide is the anti-game, people who prevent it are profiting off it, whether with money and social status.

Suicide not only facilitates subjectifying people, it adds a layer of accountability that makes the game have pressure to not exist.

It’s a matter of the most fundamental personal freedom that exists in the entire universe.

These people (who make it inhumane) are sociopaths, all of them!

My brother suicided and I agreed with you then
I thought it spoke to truth.

Still think it did.

[Meno2 (Meno_)]

I don’t think suicide is ok, if there are others to care for, left behind. It is a veritable nightmare. I reject it on principle.

But who cares about principles, right?
I had a post recently on the lack of difference between life and death in the large scheme of things,
and to think suicide solves something is a wrong conclusion.

If there are doors of perception, as metaphors for different psychic states, then conscious and un/sub conscious states may be the key to open them. It’s a pervasive feeling I have.

[Uccisore]

@phyllo

]It’s okay for PK to call posters who don’t like Hillary Clinton … “supporters of terrorism” ??

If he created a thread and said nothing but that, that wouldn’t be OK. That’s the kind of thing Ecmandu would do. But if he writes one of his usual rambling screeds, and that happens to be a line in the middle of it, then hopefully some other portions of the screed make points that give people an opportunity to interact and have some kind of conversation.

I haven’t paid any attention to barbarianhorde.

Trixie is the other person who’s threads I move/delete with some regularity. He/She/It is just barely more coherent than Ecmandu.

[phyllo]

But if he writes one of his usual rambling screeds, and that happens to be a line in the middle of it, then hopefully some other portions of the screed make points that give people an opportunity to interact and have some kind of conversation.

Did you warn him or point out that calling people, who disagree about politics, “supporters of terrorism” is not reasonable and it’s not a civilized way to have a discussion?

This seems to be the new normal in the modern internet era … people post fake stories, lies and accusations and it’s not stopped or challenged. It’s retweeted and reposted. And it spreads.

[Ecmandu]

@jerkey

I don’t think suicide is ok, if there are others to care for, left behind. It is a veritable nightmare. I reject it on principle.

But who cares about principles, right?
I had a post recently on the lack of difference between life and death in the large scheme of things,
and to think suicide solves something is a wrong conclusion.

If there are doors of perception, as metaphors for different psychic states, then conscious and un/sub conscious states may be the key to open them. It’s a pervasive feeling I have.

We’re not slaves…

The people left behind can suicide as well.

[Ecmandu]

If PK’s posts had more bite to them, he’d have been warned!

When I say trump supporters are silly for believing the script that he’s the republican outsider… When it was always a play put on by what is the entire corporate media…

That’s an existential threat.

Everybody knows trump got billions and billions of dollars of free press…

Hillary maybe raised 200 million.

Our entire media is like North Korea

[Ecmandu]

@Ecmandu

If PK’s posts had more bite to them, he’d have been warned!

When I say trump supporters are silly for believing the script that he’s the republican outsider… When it was always a play put on by what is the entire corporate media…

That’s an existential threat.

Everybody knows trump got billions and billions of dollars of free press…

Hillary maybe raised 200 million.

Our entire media is like North Korea

But what really pissed Uccisore off, is when I said that every decision Trump will ever make is illegitimate because of this

[Carleas]

@phyllo

Should it be called arbitrary application of the rules or selective targeting of people who are out of favor?

How about, “Applying the rules in a way different from the way Phyllo would apply them”?

If you want the lawyerly take, it’s this: Uccisore, as moderator, has discretion to apply the rules in his forum as he understands them. The rules could be applied differently, you and I might have applied them differently. That doesn’t mean Uccisore’s application is impermissible. Your complaint could be phrased as an allegation of an abuse of discretion. But I don’t see anything unreasonable in what happened: it’s pretty straightforward to distinguish between PK’s posts and Ecmandu’s, and Uccisore has given reasons for making the distinction that are a reasonable interpretation of what the rules call for.

@phyllo

This seems to be the new normal in the modern internet era … people post fake stories, lies and accusations and it’s not stopped or challenged. It’s retweeted and reposted. And it spreads.

I agree this is a problem, but it doesn’t really apply to this case. Or really to ILP. I hope no one is getting their news from ILP.

[Ecmandu]

My post was “why I think trump supporters are silly”

It’s not because of my header that it was deleted, it was the facts.

Trump never was the republican outsider

Trump got billions and billions if dollars of free press from the very unliberal corporate media (we’re talking North Korea standards here)

Trump was never hacked

Trump is illegitimate

These are all facts.

Calling people silly in a title is laughably ad hom

[Ecmandu]

@Ecmandu

My post was “why I think trump supporters are silly”

It’s not because of my header that it was deleted, it was the facts.

Trump never was the republican outsider

Trump got billions and billions of dollars of free press from the very unliberal corporate media (we’re talking North Korea standards here)

Trump was never hacked

Trump is illegitimate

These are all facts.

Calling people silly in a title is laughably ad hom

[phyllo]

How about, “Applying the rules in a way different from the way Phyllo would apply them”?

That’s the relativist/subjectivist argument that I’m complaining because “I’m just not getting what I personally want” - that there is no objective reason for such a complaint.

If you want the lawyerly take, it’s this: Uccisore, as moderator, has discretion to apply the rules in his forum as he understands them. The rules could be applied differently, you and I might have applied them differently. That doesn’t mean Uccisore’s application is impermissible. Your complaint could be phrased as an allegation of an abuse of discretion. But I don’t see anything unreasonable in what happened: it’s pretty straightforward to distinguish between PK’s posts and Ecmandu’s, and Uccisore has given reasons for making the distinction that are a reasonable interpretation of what the rules call for.

1. You have an open door policy which has seen the site flooded with crazies and spammers, who either can’t post anything coherent or who intentionally post rubbish.

2. The forum rules for a productive and civilized discussion are not applied consistently. ( PK and others who personally attack those who disagree with them, for example)

3. There are bouts and fits of haphazard enforcement of the rules. (This latest incident with Ecmandu, for example)

This has led to a marked deterioration of the site.

[Ecmandu]

We all know the Russians could have hacked trumps tax returns… And then Hillary would be our president.

[Ecmandu]

@Ecmandu

We all know the Russians could have hacked trumps tax returns… And then Hillary would be our president.

I don’t like married people, I don’t like people who don’t advocate suicide clinics, and I don’t like people who don’t make transparency or voting with anonymity a national security priority.

I don’t like Hillary …

She won though…

Russia decided the outcome

[Ecmandu]

The only question lingering in my brain is whether Trump knows he was selected.

The bushes saying they wouldn’t vote for trump was hilarious!! Of course they did !! The whole thing was a fucking play!!

I just don’t know if trump knows that

[Ecmandu]

@phyllo

How about, “Applying the rules in a way different from the way Phyllo would apply them”?

That’s the relativist/subjectivist argument that I’m complaining because “I’m just not getting what I personally want” - that there is no objective reason for such a complaint.

If you want the lawyerly take, it’s this: Uccisore, as moderator, has discretion to apply the rules in his forum as he understands them. The rules could be applied differently, you and I might have applied them differently. That doesn’t mean Uccisore’s application is impermissible. Your complaint could be phrased as an allegation of an abuse of discretion. But I don’t see anything unreasonable in what happened: it’s pretty straightforward to distinguish between PK’s posts and Ecmandu’s, and Uccisore has given reasons for making the distinction that are a reasonable interpretation of what the rules call for.

1. You have an open door policy which has seen the site flooded with crazies and spammers, who either can’t post anything coherent or who intentionally post rubbish.

2. The forum rules for a productive and civilized discussion are not applied consistently. ( PK and others who personally attack those who disagree with them, for example)

3. There are bouts and fits of haphazard enforcement of the rules. (This latest incident with Ecmandu, for example)

This has led to a marked deterioration of the site.

Not to mention that Uccisore is the worst ad hommer in the politics section

[Carleas]

@phyllo

1. You have an open door policy which has seen the site flooded with crazies and spammers, who either can’t post anything coherent or who intentionally post rubbish.

2. The forum rules for a productive and civilized discussion are not applied consistently. ( PK and others who personally attack those who disagree with them, for example)

3. There are bouts and fits of haphazard enforcement of the rules. (This latest incident with Ecmandu, for example)

This has led to a marked deterioration of the site.

Let’s assume this is true (a safe assumption). Given that, should Ecmandu’s posts have been removed?

[The_Eternal_Warrior]

Ec… your ideas of politics are overly dramatic, Hollywood style production. You’re easily caught up in the theater of it. All that you think you see is designed to keep you distracted. If you think you’re paranoid or good at thinking in certain terms, youre not actually picturing the reality of being in those positions.

You’re arguing like a conspiracy theorist instead of someone who actually knows what they’re talking about.

[phyllo]

Let’s assume this is true (a safe assumption). Given that, should Ecmandu’s posts have been removed?

Given that he is here because of the open door, everybody welcome policy, and given that he has repeatedly posted the same crazy nonsense without any action being taken and given that the removal is not the beginning of any new policy on consistent moderation, I see no reason to remove the posts. He’s just being singled out for a butt kicking.