a thread for mundane ironists

[b]Lynda Barry

A man who has been dead for a week in a hot trailer looks more like a man than you would first expect. [/b]

Yep, that’s always been my experience.

Dear Anyone Who Finds This, Do not blame the drugs.

Or [this time] the objectivists.

I remember my comic strips being called “new wave.” It bugged me.

Even though [back then] it was.

I started doing cartoons when I was about 21. I never thought I would be a cartoonist. It happened behind my back. I was always a painter and drawer.

Lucky for us.

I was unable to sleep and I would stay up and draw these little cartoons. Then a friend showed them around. Before I knew it I was a cartoonist.

Or [never in a million years]: I was unable to sleep and I would stay up and write philosophy essays. Then a friend showed them around. Before I knew it I was a philosopher.

My goal on my bucket list is to write a romantic comedy movie.

Yes, of course she’s kidding.

[b]Phil Ochs

One good song with a message can bring a point more deeply to more people than a thousand rallies.[/b]

Our own message preferably.

In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion
One of the shadiest of these is the liberals
An outspoken group on many subjects
Ten degrees to the left of center in good times
Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally
Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic

You decide: youtu.be/0nFvhhCulaw

And if there’s any hope for America, it lies in a revolution, and if there’s any hope for a revolution in America, it lies in getting Elvis Presley to become Che Guevara.

Know the backstory here?

It’s always the old to lead us to the war
It’s always the young to fall

In particular the young without college deferments.

The final story, the final chapter of Western man, I believe, lies in Los Angeles.

I guess you had to be there.

Beneath the greatest love lies a hurricane of hate.

And not just in Dallas.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“God has given to man no sharper spur to victory than contempt of death.” Hannibal[/b]

Not counting miscarriages of course.

“Dogmatism and skepticism are both, in a sense, absolute philosophies; one is certain of knowing, the other of not knowing. What philosophy should dissipate is certainty, whether of knowledge or ignorance.” Bertrand Russell

I’m rather skeptical of dogmatism myself. Just not objectively.

“She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist.” Jean-Paul Sartre

The perfect compromise?

“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.” Carl Jung

Let’s explain how that’s done.

“The difficulty is not so great to die for a friend, as to find a friend worth dying for.” Homer

Nope, not yet. And, truth be told, not even close.

“The world will ask you who you are, and if you don’t know, the world will tell you.” Carl Jung

Or, here, I will.

[b]Douglas Adams

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.[/b]

How to put this in perspective, he wondered.

We can’t win against obsession. They care, we don’t. They win.

About practically anything, he suspected.

There’s always a moment when you start to fall out of love, whether it’s with a person or an idea or a cause, even if it’s one you only narrate to yourself years after the event: a tiny thing, a wrong word, a false note, which means that things can never be quite the same again.

Alas, this is an all too real thing.

All you really need to know for the moment is that the universe is a lot more complicated than you might think, even if you start from a position of thinking it’s pretty damn complicated in the first place.

Yet look how many folks here alone claim to know everything about it. And, no, not just the Kids.

But the plans were on display…
On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.
That’s the display department.
With a flashlight.
Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.
So had the stairs.
But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?
Yes, said Arthur, yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’.

You want this to be a true story, don’t you?

Did I do anything wrong today, he said, or has the world always been like this and I’ve been too wrapped up in myself to notice?

Anyone here know for sure?

[b]Bob Dylan

Frank Sinatra sang to you, not at you, like so many pop singers today. Even singers of standards. I never wanted to be a singer that sings at somebody. I’ve always wanted to sing to somebody.[/b]

Well, in that sense, here, some post to us, others at us.

Some things are too terrible to be true.

Let alone universally true! :laughing:

Gates appeal to me because of the negative space they allow. They can be closed but at the same time they allow the seasons and breezes to enter and flow. They can shut you out or shut you in. And in some ways there is no difference.

How about walls?

If you like someone’s work, the important thing is to be exposed to everything that person has been exposed to. Anyone who wants to be a songwriter should listen to as much folk music as they can, study the form and structure of stuff that has been around for 100 years.

Fuck all that, he thought.

The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don’t think they have titles.

Unless you’ll settle for “rich and powerful”.

I’m not a playwright. The people in my songs are all me.

He means “me” of course.

[b]Blake Crouch

We live day to day completely oblivious to the fact that we’re a part of a much larger and stranger reality than we can possibly imagine.[/b]

Comfortably oblivious for example.

Is there a fate worse than being halfway evil?

Being halfway good?

The Many-Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics posits that all possible realities exist. That everything which has a probability of happening is happening. Everything that might have occurred in our past did occur, only in another universe. What if that’s true?

I know, let’s start living our lives as though it was.

There is no such thing as real taste or real smell or even real sight, because there is no true definition of ‘real.’

Right, see how far that takes you.

And still, he was here. And by virtue of that fact, or rather because of it, this place wasn’t perfect. His experience, there was darkness everywhere human beings gathered. The way of the world. Perfection was a surface thing. The epidermis. Cut a few layers deep, you begin to see some darker shades. Cut to the bone—pitch black.

Six feet under in particular.

You can reign in hell here on the outside, or serve in heaven, back in Pines.

Let’s think of a third option.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said.” Voltaire[/b]

Fuck it, let’s say it anyway.

“We forget that we are all dead men conversing with dead men.” Jorge Luis Borges

Now of course that includes women.

“Heresy is a cradle; orthodoxy a coffin.” Robert Green Ingersoll

Take that, Mr. Objectivist!

“By identifying the new learning with heresy, you make orthodoxy synonymous with ignorance.” Desiderius Erasmus

Take that, Mr. Objectivist!

"Truth is a property of sentences, since sentences are dependent for their existence upon vocabularies, and since vocabularies are made by human beings, so are truths.” Richard Rorty

Even I think this goes too far.

"The world is out there, but descriptions of the world are not.” Richard Rorty

Here, for example, many don’t even come close.

[b]Erin Morgenstern

You may tell a tale that takes up residence in someone’s soul, becomes their blood and self and purpose. That tale will move them and drive them and who knows that they might do because of it, because of your words. [/b]

Not my words though, right?

People see what they wish to see. And in most cases, what they are told that they see.

But not what I tell them to see, right?

The circus arrives without warning. No announcements precede it. It is simply there, when yesterday it was not.

And that includes the clowns of course.

I am tired of trying to hold things together that cannot be held. Trying to control what cannot be controlled. I am tired of denying myself what I want for fear of breaking things I cannot fix. They will break no matter what we do.

Nothing new here, is there?

We lead strange lives, chasing our dreams around from place to place.

If only from the day we are born.

The most difficult thing to read is time. Maybe because it changes so many things.

Naturally as it were. And, then, from time to time, unnaturally.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“The future has no other reality than as present hope, and the past is no more than present memory.” Jorge Luis Borges[/b]

And then right up to the day we die.

“To be aware of limitations is already to be beyond them.” Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Of course he’s only paraphrasing Slavoj Žižek.

“Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights.” Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Of course he’s only paraphrasing me paraphrasing William Barrett.

“Some other faculty than the intellect is necessary for the apprehension of reality.” Henri Bergson

Uh, no shit?

“To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly.” Henri Bergson

Of course we’ll need to redefine endlessly here.

“The greater part of mankind may be divided into two classes; that of shallow thinkers who fall short of the truth; and that of abstruse thinkers who go beyond it.” David Hume

Let’s not mention any names, okay Fixed Cross? :wink:

[b]Neal Stephenson

In your Primer you have a resource that will make you highly educated, but it will never make you intelligent. That comes from life. Your life up to this point has given you all the experience you need to be intelligent, but you have to think about those experiences.[/b]

It would have to be that, right Kids?

So which theory did Lagos believe in? The relativist or the universalist?
He did not seem to think there was much of a difference. In the end, they are both somewhat mystical. Lagos believed that both schools of thought had essentially arrived at the same place by different lines of reasoning.

I dare you to bring this down to earth.Or, sure, you can dare me to.

…to insist on everything’s being reasonable, in a world that wasn’t, was, in itself, unreasonable.

And that’s only up until breakfast.

These simple terms—“come about,” for example—denote procedures that are as complicated and tradition-bound as the installation of a new Pope.

I know: Go figure.

Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker’s game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.

Someone run this by Pedro I Rengel. How about you, Ecmandu? :wink:

…he stands there reading statistics about his own death even as it’s happening to him. Very post-modern.

If not downright fucking weird.

[b]Miles Davis

With “We Are The World,” I can’t even eat when I watch that on television. If I’m eatin’ some food, I have to put it down. I feel very strongly about that. [/b]

Of course there are white folks who feel the same.

Sometimes [playing free] doesn’t happen, because maybe a guy’s wife’ll come in, you know, and his ego will catch him. If everybody’s completely just straight-without any old ladies over here, a fourth of whisky over there; if it’s balanced right, it’ll come off. It has to be. But when you get egos involved with playing free, you can’t do it.

Not to worry: We’re not expected to understand it.

The music has gotten thick. Guys give me tunes and they’re full of chords. I can’t play them…I think a movement in jazz is beginning away from the conventional string of chords, and a return to emphasis on melodic rather than harmonic variation. There will be fewer chords but infinite possibilities as to what to do with them.

Well, I think I do understand this. Though, sure, what are the odds?

It takes you years to learn how to play like yourself.

Or, here, to post like yourself.

In Europe, they like everything you do. The mistakes and everything. That’s a little bit too much.

The Woody Allen Syndrome some call it.

If I hear a song like “Time After Time.” I’m sittin’ there lookin’ at video and Cindy Lauper comes on singin’ this song. I said, “God damnnnnn!”

youtu.be/aBsCqTlepPs How about you?

[b]Joan Baez

You don’t get to choose how you’re going to die, or when. You can only decide how you’re going to live.[/b]

Of course now that is just a cliche.

The easiest kind of relationship for me is with ten thousand people. The hardest is with one.

Of course now that is just a cliche.

Action is the antidote to despair.

You know, if that is actually an option.

As long as one keeps searching, the answers will come.

If only back in the Sixties.

I’ve never had a humble opinion. If you’ve got an opinion, why be humble about it?

Right, Kids?

Someone had to change the world. And obviously I was the one for the job.

Right, and look where we are now.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“All knowledge degenerates into probability.” David Hume[/b]

Except of course when it’s the other way around.

“The life of man is of no greater importance to the universe than that of an oyster.” David Hume

Only the oyster doesn’t know it.

“It is not reason which is the guide of life, but custom.” David Hume

That stands to reason of course.

“Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater.” Albert Einstein

I dare you to believe that.

“There is no need to build a labyrinth when the entire universe is one.” Jorge Luis Borges

You know, whatever that means.

“The original is unfaithful to the translation.” Jorge Luis Borges

Once in a blue moon for example. Or twice.

[b]André Aciman

Did I want him to act? Or would I prefer a lifetime of longing provided we both kept this little Ping-Pong game going: not knowing, not-not-knowing, not-not-not-knowing? Just be quiet, say nothing, and if you can’t say “yes,” don’t say “no,” say “later.” Is this why people say “maybe” when they mean “yes,” but hope you’ll think it’s “no” when all they really mean is, Please, just ask me once more, and once more after that?” [/b]

Pathetic, isn’t it?

I’m not wise at all. I told you, I know nothing. I know books, and I know how to string words together–it doesn’t mean I know how to speak about the things that matter most to me.
But you’re doing it now–in a way.
Yes, in a way–that’s how I always say things: in a way.

In a way, that’s applicable here too.

Everyone goes through a period of Traviamento - when we take, say, a different turn in life, the other via. Dante himself did. Some recover, some pretend to recover, some never come back, some chicken out before even starting, and some, for fear of taking any turns, find themselves leading the wrong life all life long.

That’s me, he thought.

Twenty years was yesterday, and yesterday was just earlier this morning, and morning seemed light-years away.

Time playing tricks on us.

We are not written for one instrument alone; I am not, neither are you.

Let’s trade instruments.

Time makes us sentimental. Perhaps, in the end, it is because of time that we suffer.

Next up: Time makes us bitter.

[b]Nein

Dystopia. I thought it’d be smarter.[/b]

Well, Trump is one in a million.

The poets regret to inform you that truth is beauty. Beauty is truth. And the ugly truth is, well, philosophy.

Seriously.

If you need me, I’ll be spending some quality time. With space.

From dust to dust as it were.

I’m just here for the ontological uncertainty.

Teleologically as it were.

Friday. Casual capitalism.

Not counting the sweatshops of course.

A gentle reminder to look on the bright side. And take note of how dark it is.

If only all the way to the grave.

[b]Margaret Atwood from The Testaments

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Having no friends, I must make do with enemies.[/b]

I hear that!
You know, for better or worse.

One person alone is not a full person: we exist in relation to others. I was one person: I risked becoming no person.

A risk that some are willing to take, he noted.

I always made dough men, I never made dough women, because after they were baked I would eat them, and that made me feel I had a secret power over men. It was becoming clear to me that, despite the urges Aunt Vidala said I aroused in them, I had no power over them otherwise.

On the other hand, how far removed is this from living in la la land.

What good is it to throw yourself in front of a steamroller out of moral principles and then be crushed flat like a sock emptied of its foot?

Yet they’ll do it every time.

Wedlock: it had a dull metallic sound, like an iron door clicking shut.

You know, eventually.

The corrupt and blood-smeared fingerprints of the past must be wiped away to create a clean space for the morally pure generation that is surely about to arrive. Such is the theory.

So, don’t forget to vote!

[b]Robert Pirsig

This inner peace of mind occurs on three levels of understanding. Physical quietness seems the easiest to achieve, although there are levels and levels of this too, as attested by the ability of Hindu mystics to live buried alive for many days. Mental quietness, in which one has no wandering thoughts at all, seems more difficult, but can be achieved. But value quietness, in which one has no wandering desires at all but simply performs the acts of his life without desire, that seems the hardest.[/b]

It sort of works that way, right?

[b]What was behind this smug presumption that what pleased you was bad or at least unimportant in comparison to other things?

Little children were trained not to do “just what they liked’ but … but what? … Of course! What others liked. And which others? Parents, teachers, supervisors, policemen, judges, officials, kings, dictators. All authorities.

When you are trained to despise “just what you like” then, of course, you become a much more obedient servant of others — a good slave. When you learn not to do “just what you like” then the System loves you.[/b]

It sort of works that way, right?

When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and talks as yours does is something close to a blessed event.

Reminds me of a few folks here…

There is a perennial classical question that asks which part of the motorcycle, which grain of sand in which pile, is the Buddha. Obviously to ask that question is to look in the wrong direction, for the Buddha is everywhere. But just as obviously to ask the question is to look in the right direction, for the Buddha is everwhere.

Of course here he is competing with God.

The range of human knowledge today is so great that we’re all specialists and the distance between specializations has become so great that anyone who seeks to wander freely between them almost has to forego closeness with the people around him.

Let me guess: For better or for worse.

The cause of our current social crises, he would have said, is a genetic defect within the nature of reason itself. And until this genetic defect is cleared, the crises will continue. Our current modes of rationality are not moving society forward into a better world. They are taking it further and further from that better world. Since the Renaissance these modes have worked. As long as the need for food, clothing and shelter is dominant they will continue to work. But now that for huge masses of people these needs no longer overwhelm everything else, the whole structure of reason, handed down to us from ancient times, is no longer adequate. It begins to be seen for what it really is…emotionally hollow, esthetically meaningless and spiritually empty.[

There must be thousands of assessment like this one to choose from now.

[b]Werner Twertzog

We became larger to escape the horrors of the microbial world. We clambered onto the land to escape the horrors of the sea. We created technology to escape the horrors of nature. Finally, we invented heaven, because, as we all know, there is no escape.[/b]

Hell, that about sums up everything.

Man is born free.
But, everywhere,
He is checking work-related email.

That or posting here.

Klaus Kinski never declined the role of Harriet Tubman, I am told.

Let’s at least imagine it.

I do not believe in “method acting.” I starved and brutalized Christian Bale for other reasons, as we all know.

You tell me: youtu.be/6kktAYxwo7M

I am not good enough.
I am not smart enough.
I am not liked.
But I endure.

Like that’s a good thing.

How about instead of playing the National Anthem before U.S. sporting events, there could be an inspirational reading of the Bill of Rights?

Cue Colin Kaepernick.

[b]Julian Assange

Facebook in particular is the most appalling spying machine that has ever been invented. [/b]

Let’s just say it wouldn’t surprise me.

The penetration of society by the Internet and the penetration of the Internet by society is the best thing that has ever happened to global human civilisation.

He means the worst thing of course.

There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination, in the response.

We’ll definitely need a context here, right?

The US presidency will continue to represent the major power groups of the United States - big business and the military - regardless of who the talking head is.

Say it ain’t so, Bernie!

People love WikiLeaks when it is exposing corruption in their opponents. People oppose WikiLeaks when it is exposing corruption or dangerous behavior in themselves.

Now that is a universal truth, Faust.

Trump doesn’t have one establishment, maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals, if you can call them an establishment, but banks, intelligence agencies, arms companies, big foreign money, are all united behind Hillary Clinton, and the media as well, media owners and even journalists themselves.

The part the liberal media always leaves out.

[b]Thales

The most difficult thing in life is to know yourself. [/b]

He means impossible of course.

Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing.

Okay, but first they have to catch you.

The past is certain, the future obscure.

Back then in other words.

Nothing is more active than thought, for it travels over the universe, and nothing is stronger than necessity for all must submit to it.

Back then in other words.

We live not, in reality, on the summit of a solid earth but at the bottom of an ocean of air.

And we now know what’s beyond that. Or think we do.

Time is the wisest of all things that are; for it brings everything to light.

You know, if one of the Gods exist.